To ask whether anyone who voted Conservative regrets it now?

[Lifestyleinlondon88]

I would very curious to see if anyone would have voted differently, or if they had the chance to change their vote now would you?

@ITonyah

Do you know for certain that those doctors where Tories? Some might have been labour supporters?

Do you know for certain that those doctors where Tories? Some might have been labour supporters?

What relevance is their political leaning. If that’s true - and I haven’t been aware of it and actually doubt it - it would be reprehensible regardless of how they voted.

We don't have the worse deaths in the world

4th worst per million. Well done.

They have been discharged into care homes with docs fully aware that they have covid 19.

It was actually Gov policy to discharge to care homes without testing, I'll find the link, it might take me a bit of time though. It was top down imposed. Now do I think doctors should have refused? Absolutely I do.

2nd worst in total numbers behind the US.
Great.

I still have no trust in the Labour party. I think Keir Starma will be a good leader in the long run but the unions flexing their muscles over teachers brings back too many memories of unions not being the best thing in the past. (old gimmer here)

What do you think unions are for? They are organisations set up to defend their members and protect them from abuse. If that means telling the elected government to take a hike when that government tells their members to take unnecessary risks to do the jobs they want to do then all power to them.

I have friends who are teachers. They WANT to teach. They DON'T want to teach in impossible conditions that put them - and their pupils - in danger. All the teachers I know fully support their unions' stance here.

Setting unions up as some sort of scapegoat for trying to stop their members dying is despicable cheap and so very very Tory

Why are people saying it’s the 2nd worst numbers. We have lower case numbers per million population than other European countries

Look at the whole picture, not just how the media are portraying it

@KenDodd

Which government’s policy are you referring to. Is it the devolved governments in Scotland and Wales, who are responsible for health and social care? Have you looked at their stats on care home deaths? Is there a chance they are worse than England’s.

Sadly the media has given a very distorted view in the majority of information they present... many believe exactly what they see / hear ..

Why are people saying it’s the 2nd worst numbers. We have lower case numbers per million population than other European countries

Reading comprehension is a useful skill.

2 nd worst in absolute numbers of deaths in the world.
Worst absolute number of deaths in Europe.
4 th worst deaths per million in the world, and, coincidentally, in Europe too. Apart from tiny countries, all but 3 countries in Europe have better death rates than the UK.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE TORIES ARE DOING THATS GOOD?!
Only ever

“JEZZA AND DIANE ABBOT GOD NO, how awful”

4th worst in 38 countries.

But I suspect it will soon be 2nd. Belgium will be difficult to top.

NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE TORIES ARE DOING THATS GOOD?

One thing I think they've done well is get the homeless into accommodation during this crisis. Performance has been abysmal overall, but this they have done well and I'm grateful.

Lweji

Instead of being sat on here, on mumsnet, with your apparent knowledge in Covid 19, I am so surprised that you aren't at the helm with the chief scientific advisers and medical advisers at the 5pm briefings....

@Boomclaps

You left caps on.

The government are paying millions of salaries to prop up people in vulnerable jobs.

Problem is - they can't win. If they didn't do that - they would be evil, when they put taxes up to pay for it all - they are evil.

Some won't be happy until the rich are poor.

@Lweji my point was that saying we have the worst deaths in the world is factually wrong - and it is. I'm sure you'd love it if we did as it could fuel your anger.

It's a fucking pandemic. The whole world is in trouble - it's shit. If you want to blame a government, blame the Chinese.

I don't like the Tories but the idea that any other government would have made this country suddenly not massively inept is very wishful thinking

I voted Labour but I'm very glad Jeremy Corbyn isn't in charge at the moment.

Lordy. No idea what happened to my letters there. I was not meant to SHOUT!!!

Sorry all

@KuckFnows

Ha! It's amazing really, so many on MN have so much more knowledge than scientists and governments, it madness they aren't in charge.

The furlough scheme has been a godsend for employers and I'm really grateful for the attitude that businesses are worth protecting rather than being portrayed as fat cat greedy bastards.

That's a very odd way of trying to shut someone.

My knowledge about covid is decent, given that I do work on a health field and have been following the news, numbers and some literature since January.

But a) not in the UK, b) not a specialist on epidemiology, c) I'm having a lazy morning before getting to my actual work.

But if you'd rather have a conversation about covid with people who know very little about it, go ahead, just ignore me.

Ha! It's amazing really, so many on MN have so much more knowledge than scientists and governments, it madness they aren't in charge.

Often my feelings.

Many times, those in charge are not those with the most knowledge.

But my field is on the molecular side of molecular epidemiology, so, yes, I'd say I'm equipped to discuss government responses to covid better than most people in the general population.

Lweji

The data on the Worldometer is just not comparable. We know countries use different counting methods. Added to which you have to be really gullible to believe the data from some counties. It’s just not credible. Constantly quoting data from it whilst dismissing other data that doesn’t fit your agenda is what forms argument on here. But it doesn’t make it any more intelligent argument. I don’t care what field you work in or how educated you are.

I could easily say that the more open and transparent the democracy the higher the reported figures. Indeed that’s the biggest conclusion I would make so far. That and the more advanced the hospital system the more likely that patients are admitted and their death recorded.

@Lweji

That's fair enough. I worked in similar field before taking a career break for my DC (it's been 5 years so appreciate I'm not 'cutting edge'.

But I still don't feel I have enough information to judge our government too harshly - so many people's feelings on their success /failures are based on their political views not facts.

Plus there's so much misinformation out there - I've seen people forming opinions based on DM headlines and yesterday, a meme that clearly came from social media!

I don't think the figures can be compared like for like due to so many factors and given your profession, I would have thought you'd have the same views.

Thank god I live in Scotland where most people had the good sense NOT to vote fucking Tory. We have a First Minister that can actually string a sentence together.