To ask whether anyone who voted Conservative regrets it now?

[Lifestyleinlondon88]

I would very curious to see if anyone would have voted differently, or if they had the chance to change their vote now would you?

Look at the countries that went into full lockdown. Banned travel to countries with large outbreaks. Isolation after travels etc.
Still haven’t managed to do that. June 1st at the earliest isn’t it?

And I agree with op. All I’ve read is that it’s other people’s fault, how Corbyn would have made things worse, and have been plunging us into a massive recession that will be beneficial. The global economy wouldn’t have been as bad, G12 talked about that earlier in the year as well.

This thread makes me want independence even more. Seems like some of England will forever vote in the tories, as they think they are doing a great job, when we gave the highest death toll in the world, apart from the USA.
You can't change stupid.

You can't change stupid.

well, some people can see the difference between empty *and completely unrealistic! promises from a party and another at least doing something...

The Torys in the cabinet do not care about the economy - Johnson famously said “fuck business” in response to business leaders complaining about Brexit. I’ve voted Lib Dem or Tory in every election except the last when I voted Labour as they had the best chance of keeping the Tory Candidate out. They are still ploughing ahead with their idealistic no deal Brexit at the end of the year causing even more damage to the economy and a massive headache for many businesses. If Labour were in power we would probably be looking at EEA. Hopefully they learn some lessons from the panic buying at the start of the pandemic when we had shortages of things even though our supply chains were in tact, when our supply chains are damaged by no deal it will be much worse.

ssd deaths proportionally we are behind Belgium, Spain and Italy. And as a nicola sturgeon Uber fan and your desperation for independence, I’m sure it’s not possible that you could actually want It “even more”.

Oh and hands up any farmers in the U.K. who were sent info about what to look for. Think the same was also meant to go the fresh meat industry.
This was because at the beginning they didn’t know If it was the same as other corona strains. Government told to pass it on.

The Torys in the cabinet do not care about the economy - Johnson famously said “fuck business” in response to business leaders complaining about Brexit

So the furlough scheme is a big "fuck business" because Tories don't care about the economy?

One minute people are saying Tories don't care about the economy next breath it's Tories value the economy more than human life - make up your minds which it is.

No, they value their own wealth above human life. Which isnt the same as the economy.

No regrets. I don't believe any party would be criticism free at the moment.

Now Labour have a leader that can actually provide sensible, exacting opposition and hold the Government to account more effectively they may have a better chance in 5 years. At least it's a fair fight again.

Who said this?-

“That is what most people in the country have thought about the Tory party for decades. I know a lot of Tory MPs and I am sad to say the public is basically correct. Tory MPs largely do not care about these poorer people. They don’t care about the NHS. And the public has kind of cottoned on to that.''

Love seeing the Momentum vitriol on this thread being pushed back by normal people. The Government is trying to do its best. To protect health, protect jobs and business. It's not perfect - but then who and what is.

You can't seriously judge the success of the government's response solely upon the questionable numbers thrown about by a left wing media.

If you look into the official numbers for yourself, you will see that we are actually behind most of Europe in terms of deaths per million of the population. We are also a much more densely populated country than most in Europe, so to have a lower percentage of deaths could even be seen as commendable, but that is not the stance the media have chosen to take.

To be honest, how useful a comparison of the numbers is anyway, given there is no consistency in their measure, is questionable in itself. However, it does give the media and opposition a convenient stick to beat the Tories with to win over those who don't look into it themselves.

So my measure of the government's response, be it right or wrong, is based on the fact that they have done their best to support the majority. To balance the financial wellbeing of individuals and the economy as a whole, with the health of the population and their right to freedom.

I wouldn't want to be making the decisions myself, so I respect those who are doing it for us and object to the armchair critics, who have the luxury of looking back and considering only a single aspect.

This week the tories have accidentally made it easier to see other people's parents than your own, issued new advice which was officially ignored by the other 3 countries in a union of 4, admitted there would be a border in the Irish Sea after a year of claiming otherwise, had mps reposting a doctored right wing fake video, said its okay for a childminder to come in as long as the windows open, announced 2bn investment in public transport then told people its their civic duty to avoid public transport, said people should go to work but shouldn't travel to work, said people should go to work on Monday then changed it to Wednesday when challenges on it, said it was all explained in public guidelines then had to have it pointed out in Parliament they hadn't published the public guidelines, blamed the public for not understanding their new rules, went on TV to explain the rules, still got them wrong and had to be corrected by piers morgan, said people should wear facemasks, then said people shouldn't then said they should, clapped for nhs workers then introduced a 55% increase in the fee foreign staff pay to work for the nhs, announced quarantine for new arrivals 73 days after being advised to do so, announced they've only just started recruiting people to do track and trace 110 days after being advised to do so urgently, issued a plan to reopen schools when teachers said it was unsafe, said Dr's were brave but teachers aren't, then had Dr's say the teachers were right, then had to have it explained that infected teachers can still infect kids, scored 0 in a French poll of what govt was going best for it's people and dropped 45 net approval points in UK opinion polling.
That's in a week and some people are still happy with their vote.
I remember reading that a country gets the government it deserves. Scotland will be stuck with whoever England voted for until there is independence but surely England deserves more than this farce??

Still no-one is comparing with other leaders' actual responses, eg Merkel.

The only way Tories can makes the gov look less shit is by saying "what would Corbyn have done". They daren't compare with any actual existing leaders as they know our gov's response is the second shittest in the world.

"Hooray, we are less shit than if the previous Labour leader had hypothetically won the election 6 months ago", vs "let's compare to the clearly better strategies around the world". They daren't even compare to Starmer as they know he is currently forensically unpacking the PM's bluster and lies and holding him to account. But no, let's keep talking about Corbyn shall we?

Oops....the loony momentum brigade not getting answers they want here

yep, the majority of people who didnt vote for this joke are all 'loony momentum'. Keep that up please it does a great job for us.

I see the government stills are out in force.

'Corbyn would have been worse' TICK

'momentum brigade' TICK

Where's the mention of Tony Blair? He was trotted out on a recent thread, when the shrills got fed up of typing Corbyn.

And I'm nothing to do with momentum. Not a labour voter. I'm a Scottish snp voter. Just feel strongly that the English people and the UK (while the union is still a thing) deserve more than these jokers.

@snowballtorch

Based on Deaths per million we are 4th worst worldwide www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Belgium 781
Spain 591
Italy 525
UK 508
We will soon overtake Italy and Spain as we are further behind on the curve. The Netherlands has a higher population density than us and has 332 deaths per million and is also a lot further along on the curve.

Apparently criticism of the government or anything other than complete deference or North-Korea style adoration for Boris Johnson makes you “far-left” or “momentum mob”. All it does is alienate centrists.

The Overton window has shifted so much, people can’t don’t even realise how ridiculous it’s got. Most countries in Europe wouldn’t even blink an eye at Corbyns policies. What Britain deems ‘far left’ is actually quite commonplace soft left or slightly left of centre for the rest of the world. It really is quite bizarre.

he Netherlands has a higher population density than us
No it doesnt UK is 690 people per square mile and Netherlands is only 491.

We have moved to 4th worst in the last few days, yes, but the media have suggested for weeks we are already the worst, which is simply not true, if you choose to follow the numbers.

Maybe we will yet overtake the 3 countries above us in the table, but Spain has a population density of 94 per square kilometre in comparison the the UK's 283, and Italy has 206 people per square km. Belgium has a much higher population per square km and this is reflected in their much higher deaths per million.

Also, despite what I have seen said on this thread, most countries are only counting deaths in hospitals and not care homes. The UK numbers increased once these were included.

Most countries in Europe wouldn’t even blink an eye at Corbyns policies. No but they might have blinked an eye at other less savoury aspects of his world view and his capabilities as a leader. He has no record of running anything. He is a protest driven back bench MP.

Who said this?-

“That is what most people in the country have thought about the Tory party for decades. I know a lot of Tory MPs and I am sad to say the public is basically correct. Tory MPs largely do not care about these poorer people. They don’t care about the NHS. And the public has kind of cottoned on to that.''

I know! It was Dominic Cummings.
He's also made no secret of the fact the thinks Leave voters are thick.

That's a compliment from him.