To think it’s about time @MNHQ stepped up and did something about the teacher bashing.

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This evening has been AWFUL here on the AIBU board.

@MNHQ, at what point do you actually plan to intervene and do something about the sheer number of teacher bashing threads, and individual posts? Should we expect any kind of moderation?

Or, is this in fact, “all in the spirit of Mumsnet”? Because at the moment, you’re making it look a darn sight like you agree by proxy.

Daffodil101
This is mumsnet.

Genius.

It’s hardly surprising that mums come on here and talk about what’s currently bothering them.

No-one has said that they can't

It’s pretty arrogant of any one profession to expect MNHQ to exercise censorship.

Its not arrogant to expect MH to enforce their own rules.,

This isn’t North Korea

Again Genius.

They are coming up with reasons/excuses why THEY are different. Looking after sick child, husband has just left them

12 months ago one of my children nearly died. He spent 9 nights in hospital. I didn’t go to school or set work. If your child was in hospital, would you be in work?

I would be interested to see how many people have read the guidance set out for schools and teachers and what their opinion of it is.

Daffodil101 how is that relevant?

You've made it clear that you don't agree with your union over this either.

And?

Well said @NeverTwerkNaked - I totally agree with you.

I used to be a massive fan of teachers - now I'm pretty disgusted with how some of them (nb some of them) are behaving.

I don't think the majority of people on here are teacher bashing, but are talking about their own personal experience from the schools and teachers.

I have children in both primary and high school and the difference in the lesson planning and contact couldn't be more opposite if they tried.

High School - have a weekly timetable and lessons set, have contacted me about how the child in their year group is doing, coping with the work set. How my Yr 11 child is coping with exams being cancelled. The head teacher sends a weekly E mail updates with what's happening.

Primary school - teacher initially seemed to be adding 15 random at day into the programme they chose to use. Now 2 BBC Bitesize, and an Oak Academy English, math and maybe a language. And no feedback from his teacher as to how he doing. No interaction from the at all. We have had 1 Email about school closure, suddenly after 6 weeks they have some paper format work for those who do not have internet access. Oh and this week a E mail survey as to whether or not our child would go back to school.

I'm not criticising the primary school teachers I do think the SLT and management could have done a lot more then they have.

I f you don’t like it, leave. There will be plenty of qualified people out of jobs who will happily take your place

Recruitment targets not met for years. Average lifespan of an NQT now is 5 years. Many, many don’t manage that. Incentives as big as £30k tax free have been given for years now to get people to train. Sure, high levels of unemployment may incentivise some to train who wouldn’t have but the recruitment crisis didn’t improve last time we had a recession and has been an on going issue for many, many years.

You think you’re being clever. We know the reality of the sector.

Howaboutanewname I'm sorry to hear about your ds. I truly hope that he is better now.

I've had three friends in similar situations. One a HE lecturer, one a civil servant and one a solicitor. All of their workplaces supported them to take as much time off as they needed to look after their child.

No-one suggested that they were 'making excuses' about why they weren't able to work.

I used to be a massive fan of teachers - now I'm pretty disgusted with how some of them (nb some of them) are behaving

I feel pretty much the same about some parent now tbh

If you don’t like it, leave. There will be plenty of qualified people out of jobs who will happily take your place

Awesome. I've just quit so they can have mine. Enjoy being spat at and punched and kicked and being told you are workshy and not having a can do attitude, even though you have been working the whole time.

Can Do attitude

I'll let someone with their own can do attitude figure it out:

We have to assume initially that all pupils will return if open.

We have 181 reception and year 1s plus approx 10 KW year 2s (though that may increase)

Guidance says that classes should be no larger than 15 and that part time rotas are not acceptable.

Groups should remain in their class for the whole time bar lunch and break which should be staggered, as should drop off and pick up. Groups shouldn't be mixed or swapped around and neither should the teaching staff.

We have 9 classrooms and one other room suitable for teaching in.

The playground is a concrete yard in a slope so not ideal for outdoor teaching longer term and the English weather isn't actually that reliable anyway.

The hall is needed for lunch times which when staggered would take up around 2 hours, with cleaning.

We have a total of 10-12 toilets (can't quite remember) in two different locations in school - half on one floor, half the other.

CAN DO people - can you solve it?
That's before we add any staffing issues in.

Lol @Aragog. I am waiting. Last person I saw trying to ‘help’ had us lugging buckets of water around....

And marquees. Not much use on a sloping bit of concrete though

I would be astonished if the current situation led to more people wanting to become teachers and I say that as someone who entered teaching (sixth form) after the banking crisis. Parents have had far too much up close experience now of what teachers actually do and it's got to be off-putting. I have been in awe at how incredible my DD's primary teacher has been. I couldn't possibly do it. Also you basically become a teacher at your own expense and your own initiative (those widely advertised golden handshakes are only for a few subjects and the level of attrition after a few years is huge).

So if you add to that that random people will now be having a go at you about the teaching unions, the crapness of their DC's school during lockdown...not attractive.

Bathroom thank you posting that about supermarket workers. People really underestimate how disgusting and germ-laden the general public can be (e.g., you would not believe how many people cough or sneeze on their shopping or cash before handing it over) and loads of people are not distancing. It is a lot of exposure for shop workers, hundreds of people in sometimes small spaces. Many of them do not have real PPE.

I agree that for nursery and very young students, the risk for teachers is high. But for all teachers?

I had a look at the BBC website How Exposed is Your Job
Out of 359 jobs, these were some rankings:

Nurses: 2
Midwives: 9
Prison officers: 14
Undertakers: 19
Police officers: 23
Primary and nursery teachers: 32
Social workers: 39
Bus drivers: 43
Cleaners: 52
Retail cashiers: 83
Taxi drivers: 85
Secondary teachers: 116

Why not re-open secondary schools first and see how it goes? Taking the time to put more robust protection in place for primary.

So what’s the answer? You don’t even try to make it work?

You need to accept that kids will be back at school and somehow (and I don’t know how, I don’t work in a school) it will need to work I’m some form or other.

Honestly, I have also lost respect for teachers due to my own daughters teacher being as much use as a chocolate tea pot and from the negative teachers who are posting on here.

So parents aren't allowed to criticise teachers anymore?

You must realise that while there are many hard-working teachers out there, some of them are not working at satisfactory levels - and in that case, parents have every right to criticise them.

Can anyone be bothered to re explain the issues with secondary schools? Sorry to be rude just it takes a lot to explain

dreamingbohemian I do agree with you that it would make more sense to think about how to get secondary, esp Y10 and Y12 back first. It seems to be the need for childcare that is driving the push to get the youngest and grubbiest children back first.

But do bear in mind those figures are because we locked down and put measures like social distancing in when possible.

They would undoubtedly have been much higher without lock down for many sectors.

So what’s the answer? You don’t even try to make it work?

@Nicknacky. Have you read @Aragog’s post? That’s every school in the country. Right now. Even the private ones.

I have read her post. But the kids are going back even if you don’t like it.

Aragog 180 students and 9 classrooms is 20 students per classroom. So I would suggest doing what we are doing here in Germany and have each class attend part-time. Divide each class into 2 groups of 10, one group comes in for 3 hours in the morning, the other for 3 hours in the afternoon. All students have lunch at home. Separate arrangements for KW children who need to be in all day (as now).

It is not a perfect solution but it is better than having kids completely out of school until September. The teacher can personally make sure everyone is getting on with the home learning and introduce new subjects that parents are struggling to teach. Parents who are home working will have a few hours a day to focus on work, those working out of the home can maybe juggle things to work some shifts.

This is what we are doing in Berlin starting next week. Our schools face the same constraints, this is what they came up with.

I'm sure there are a lot of reasons why this might not work in your situation but there are a lot of scenarios between No Schooling and Full Schooling.

To think it’s about time @MNHQ stepped up and did something about the teacher bashing

Are you serious?

What do you want them to do exactly? “Teacher bashing” is actually just freedom of speech.

If you are advocating censorship, then that is a scary place to go. If you are a teacher and advocating censorship, then that is even more frightening.

Well, no @Nicknacky...they’re not going to fit 181 children in 9 classrooms in groups of 15 so they’re not going to go back.

So I would suggest doing what we are doing here in Germany and have each class attend part-time

Part time isn’t acceptable.

I just knew that dreamingbohemian’s schools approach STILL wouldn’t be acceptable for some on here.