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To have no sympathy for alcoholics?

494 replies

Macrometa · 14/05/2020 12:16

I'm the adult child of one, my life has been nothing but completely miserable because of it.

Today in my home town the newspaper ran a story about an alcoholic man who trespassed into the cancer department late at night. He stole two bottles of alcohol sanitizer from a fridge and drank them, he vomited sick and blood on the floor, urinated on the floor and then ripped down a cubicle curtain. He was found by a frightened cleaner the next morning.

The comments are full of people feeling sorry for the bloke, yet no concern for the cleaner who had to deal with the aftermath or the hospital who are now down on vital supplies and have to pay for repairs.

AIBU to have no sympathy for alcoholics?

OP posts:
SolitaryTree · 02/09/2021 23:55

I’m sorry for the experiences you had op.
I also grew up in a home with a family member who was an alcoholic and it’s not great I understand.
I do feel sympathy for alcoholics though. Nobody who is in a good place mentally or nobody at all for that matter would choose to be an alcoholic. It’s to numb the pain isn’t it.
My family member put me in allot of situations I shouldn’t have been in as a child but as an adult now I can see her sadness. She often said that she’d had enough of this life and was ready for it to be over now.

Jemand · 03/09/2021 00:30

It's difficult. I completely accept that it's a serious illness, but I know from personal experience of my FIL how bloody unpleasant, selfish and generally horrible alcoholics can be

Suzi888 · 03/09/2021 00:31

This man was clearly very unwell.Sad Drinking hand sanitiser?! Jesus.
I hope he gets the support he needs.

XenoBitch · 03/09/2021 01:09

@Hiccupsonthetrain

You go into a palliative care setting and tell those people dying of cancer, MND, CF etc that in order to survive they just have to stop doing XYZ. I guarantee they'd do that and whatever else it takes. Not active alcoholics though. It's too haaaaard Hmm

It can be done as evidenced by the many in recovery.

It's won't, not can't.

Again, a total lack of understanding about alcoholism.

I have known and lost many friends to alcohol. Some, I sat with until the early hours.. they were crying, puking and drinking at the same time. That is how powerful their addiction was. They wanted to stop, they couldn't. With all the will power in the world, if you are that far gone, stopping will kill you.

Yes, many do go through recovery and live a addiction free life. But it will always be the devil on their shoulder. And the people who put in a ton of effort maybe had a lot of support surrounding them. With addiction, just focusing in on whatever the habit is is not helpful. You need to look at the rest of their life too.

You simply do not understand how powerful addiction is. It is a compulsion.. it is all consuming. It is literally "too haaaaard". If you have the answers, then please tell my friends, and tell me too.

ChalkAndChalk · 03/09/2021 23:46

No sympathy for addicts from me, when they have broken my beloved children in front of my eyes.

DogsandCatsB4u · 04/09/2021 00:21

I feel sorry for people who are addicts of drugs or alcohol however I don’t like their actions. And I won’t be around one again.

Alcoholic cocaine addicted ex stole 27k from
Me.

EmeraldShamrock · 04/09/2021 00:29

I knew I read this before.
Agree it is an interesting debate but may be painful for the OP for a host of reasons.
At times it is better to start a fresh thread with the OP's feelings in mind than bump one personal to OP.

EmeraldShamrock · 04/09/2021 00:31

@Hiccupsonthetrain You bumped this thread in an angry rant. Tut tut cowards way.

MissyMooKins · 04/09/2021 01:44

No sympathy here. We all make our own choices in life.

ActonSquirrel · 04/09/2021 01:50

These are his choices to make. If he chooses to respond to his emotions by drinking himself silly that is on him and only him. He has a choice every single time. It’s a hard choice but still a choice nonetheless.

No sympathy

480Widdio · 04/09/2021 02:25

My Mother was an Alcoholic,it killed her.

I am an Alcoholic in recovery,over 18years.Thankfully there are many people like myself who spend our time helping other Alcoholics who are still living in addiction.

So yes I have a lot of sympathy for Alcoholics.

HateJudgmentalPeople · 04/09/2021 04:06

I feel sorry for some addicts and I also feel sorry for their loved ones around them, addiction is complicated and I’ve had addiction issues myself (drugs not drink) and I had people feel for me except my mother didn’t but I was an adult and didn’t live with her at the time but I gave her lots of shit in the way of verbal abuse but then this was because I have many issues due to her and some of the nasty things she has done and said to me prior to addiction.

I completely see where you are coming from though, I hate dealing with drunks, I find it easier dealing with drug addicts but maybe because I was one, I don’t know but it’s a complicated thing.

You feel how you feel and that’s not wrong.

Darbysmama · 04/09/2021 04:50

My stepfather was an abusive alcoholic. My mother was a bipolar addict. My uncle was also an alcoholic and he died of cirrhosis. I was raised by my grandparents. My grandmother died when I was 14. My mother decided it was a great time to force me to move back home. Within months I was placed into foster care due to the horrific abuse I received. I wasn’t allowed to go back to live with my grandfather because CYS determined he was “too old.” Guess what? Foster care wasn’t much better in terms of abuse.

Despite that, I got a full academic scholarship to a private Catholic school. I busted my butt. I stayed after school until 9 most nights because school was my home. I was newspaper editor, mock trial captain, academic league champion, had my writing published multiple times. I knew that nobody was going to pay for college for me so I had to work my butt off to get a scholarship or I would end up like every other foster kid who ages out of the system with nothing to show for themselves. I graduated top of my class and earned a full academic scholarship to college. Now that I was on my own, I reconnected with my beloved grandfather. I eventually graduated with dual degrees. I started multiple businesses. I made something of myself. I got married to a wonderful man. For those raised in crappy home lives, we often fall into the trap of marrying the wrong person because we don’t know what a healthy relationship really is. But I picked a good one. I never touched a drop of alcohol. Never did a single drug. I was always petrified after seeing the drug and alcohol addictions I grew up with, especially knowing the genetic component. Still haven’t to this day done any drugs, even weed.

But then my grandfather’s health started failing. I took care of him. The rest of my family didn’t care. I changed his catheters, fed him, took care of his meds, got him to his appointments. When it got bad, I was at the hospital with him every single day. I did everything I could for him because he was my everything and he deserved it. He was the sweetest, kindest, most gentle soul ever.

And then he died. Everything inside me shattered. He was the glue that held me together and made me believe in goodness in the world. At his wake, they poured out a shot. Everyone raised their glass to toast my pap. How could I not? So I drank.

And I didn’t stop. Did. Not. Stop. I had always told my husband there are two things I’m not going to be able to handle: when my grandfather passed and when our dog passes. I was right. I just broke in every conceivable way. I just drank day in and day out. Wine at first. Half wine, half juice. Then straight wine. Then vodka cranberries. I was a tame drunk. Wasn’t mean. Didn’t go out and cause trouble. Didn’t drink and drive. Still kept a tidy home and got my work done. I guess you could say I was a functional alcoholic. But I started losing time. Blacking out. Neglecting things that could actually legitimately help me heal from the pain in favor of the temporary fix of a bottle. Equal parts wanting the pain to go away along with the desire to slowly kill myself and be done with it all.

I eventually quit cold turkey (no, I do not advocate this— but I am very OCD and I am an “all or nothing” type so emotionally I needed to do that even though physically it is very dangerous… if you happen to be an alcoholic and wish to quit, please speak to your doctor first who will likely recommend tapering off). I dealt with shakes, chills, sweats, nausea, vomiting, zero appetite, itchiness all over, mini seizures, insomnia, confusion, agitation, paranoia. In short, it sucked. Withdrawal usually lasts a couple weeks, but can sometimes last several months. I must have been lucky because I had about 2-3 days of withdrawal and then I started feeling like myself again, so the process was quick for me. I have an app on my phone called the I Am Sober app that counts the time I’ve been sober and checks in with me every morning and night about my sobriety. I was in therapy before I began drinking, but I still am to this day. I have a list on my phone of reasons I want to be sober. I feel happier, healthier, and I have a better life now. And the other bad thing I told my husband I couldn’t handle recently happened to. We lost our beloved dog of 14 years due to old age. But I didn’t drink. I cried and I cried and I cried. I still cry daily. But I haven’t drank. Instead, I added to my list of reasons to stay sober: “I want Clover (my dog) to be proud of me” and “Clover wouldn’t want me to hurt myself.” And we opened our hearts to a new puppy, then I added “I need to be able to take care of Darby (my puppy).”

Being an alcoholic can make you do bad things. But it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a bad person. Nobody picks up a drink and decides to become an alcoholic. It’s not a choice, and sometimes one drink is all it takes. Genetics and trauma create the perfect storm for this disease to take a terrible and unforgiving hold on some people. Why not focus on having sympathy for all parties involved in making it either/or? He sounds like a man caught in a spiral of very deep pain and self sabotage. And she sounds like she had a very traumatic experience walking into work to that. But sympathy isn’t mutually exclusive. Have care for both.

Balonzette · 04/09/2021 05:18

Alcoholism is a disease. YABU.

Balonzette · 04/09/2021 05:26

@Darbysmama

My stepfather was an abusive alcoholic. My mother was a bipolar addict. My uncle was also an alcoholic and he died of cirrhosis. I was raised by my grandparents. My grandmother died when I was 14. My mother decided it was a great time to force me to move back home. Within months I was placed into foster care due to the horrific abuse I received. I wasn’t allowed to go back to live with my grandfather because CYS determined he was “too old.” Guess what? Foster care wasn’t much better in terms of abuse.

Despite that, I got a full academic scholarship to a private Catholic school. I busted my butt. I stayed after school until 9 most nights because school was my home. I was newspaper editor, mock trial captain, academic league champion, had my writing published multiple times. I knew that nobody was going to pay for college for me so I had to work my butt off to get a scholarship or I would end up like every other foster kid who ages out of the system with nothing to show for themselves. I graduated top of my class and earned a full academic scholarship to college. Now that I was on my own, I reconnected with my beloved grandfather. I eventually graduated with dual degrees. I started multiple businesses. I made something of myself. I got married to a wonderful man. For those raised in crappy home lives, we often fall into the trap of marrying the wrong person because we don’t know what a healthy relationship really is. But I picked a good one. I never touched a drop of alcohol. Never did a single drug. I was always petrified after seeing the drug and alcohol addictions I grew up with, especially knowing the genetic component. Still haven’t to this day done any drugs, even weed.

But then my grandfather’s health started failing. I took care of him. The rest of my family didn’t care. I changed his catheters, fed him, took care of his meds, got him to his appointments. When it got bad, I was at the hospital with him every single day. I did everything I could for him because he was my everything and he deserved it. He was the sweetest, kindest, most gentle soul ever.

And then he died. Everything inside me shattered. He was the glue that held me together and made me believe in goodness in the world. At his wake, they poured out a shot. Everyone raised their glass to toast my pap. How could I not? So I drank.

And I didn’t stop. Did. Not. Stop. I had always told my husband there are two things I’m not going to be able to handle: when my grandfather passed and when our dog passes. I was right. I just broke in every conceivable way. I just drank day in and day out. Wine at first. Half wine, half juice. Then straight wine. Then vodka cranberries. I was a tame drunk. Wasn’t mean. Didn’t go out and cause trouble. Didn’t drink and drive. Still kept a tidy home and got my work done. I guess you could say I was a functional alcoholic. But I started losing time. Blacking out. Neglecting things that could actually legitimately help me heal from the pain in favor of the temporary fix of a bottle. Equal parts wanting the pain to go away along with the desire to slowly kill myself and be done with it all.

I eventually quit cold turkey (no, I do not advocate this— but I am very OCD and I am an “all or nothing” type so emotionally I needed to do that even though physically it is very dangerous… if you happen to be an alcoholic and wish to quit, please speak to your doctor first who will likely recommend tapering off). I dealt with shakes, chills, sweats, nausea, vomiting, zero appetite, itchiness all over, mini seizures, insomnia, confusion, agitation, paranoia. In short, it sucked. Withdrawal usually lasts a couple weeks, but can sometimes last several months. I must have been lucky because I had about 2-3 days of withdrawal and then I started feeling like myself again, so the process was quick for me. I have an app on my phone called the I Am Sober app that counts the time I’ve been sober and checks in with me every morning and night about my sobriety. I was in therapy before I began drinking, but I still am to this day. I have a list on my phone of reasons I want to be sober. I feel happier, healthier, and I have a better life now. And the other bad thing I told my husband I couldn’t handle recently happened to. We lost our beloved dog of 14 years due to old age. But I didn’t drink. I cried and I cried and I cried. I still cry daily. But I haven’t drank. Instead, I added to my list of reasons to stay sober: “I want Clover (my dog) to be proud of me” and “Clover wouldn’t want me to hurt myself.” And we opened our hearts to a new puppy, then I added “I need to be able to take care of Darby (my puppy).”

Being an alcoholic can make you do bad things. But it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a bad person. Nobody picks up a drink and decides to become an alcoholic. It’s not a choice, and sometimes one drink is all it takes. Genetics and trauma create the perfect storm for this disease to take a terrible and unforgiving hold on some people. Why not focus on having sympathy for all parties involved in making it either/or? He sounds like a man caught in a spiral of very deep pain and self sabotage. And she sounds like she had a very traumatic experience walking into work to that. But sympathy isn’t mutually exclusive. Have care for both.

Oh my gosh. This made me cry. You sound like such a strong and wonderful person.
Moelwynbach · 04/09/2021 07:23

My sister has a friend who is totally in the grip of alcoholism. She has lost her daughter to her ex husband's family(he died three years ago). She is a sensitive educated soul but can't stop. There are no winners in this.

Frazzledd · 04/09/2021 07:48

@Darbysmama thank you for sharing your story, you really should be so proud of your recovery.

I hope others read this and understand there are many other stories similar to your own and not be so quick to judge.

Hate the disease, not the person.

Catflapkitkat · 04/09/2021 08:05

I think it's easier to have sympathy for addicts from afar and a lot more difficult when you are taking the brunt of their negative behaviour.

100% agree with the first post above by Snuggybuggy. The knock on effect of living in the shadow of an alcoholic leaves you raw. And it never leaves the children they attempt to raise.

Frazzledd · 04/09/2021 08:44

@Catflapkitkat

I think it's easier to have sympathy for addicts from afar and a lot more difficult when you are taking the brunt of their negative behaviour.

100% agree with the first post above by Snuggybuggy. The knock on effect of living in the shadow of an alcoholic leaves you raw. And it never leaves the children they attempt to raise.

Read @Darbysmama post. This is someone who on every level has been a victim to addiction, from childhood, and still only after just 'one shot' the disease had her also. Her recovery is inspirational.

Yes, there are consequences, effects, cycles, trauma, there are also complex histories and predisposition. This is a disease.

There is also hope and recovery.

Do you know how many people live in hiding suffering from addiction, unwilling to admit even to themselves they're an addict because of the fear of judgement shown on this thread? Your part of the problem, you could help break the cycle. Far more people would ask for help if there was more understanding and empathy. They wouldn't have to be 'anonymous'. Families wouldn't have to suffer in silence.

EmeraldShamrock · 04/09/2021 09:16

@Darbysmama Flowers

Hurdl · 04/09/2021 10:14

Darby you sound like a wonderful person and I applaud you in your dedication to achieving sobriety.

People like Darby tend to be the exception though, don't they?

Do you know how many people live in hiding suffering from addiction, unwilling to admit even to themselves they're an addict because of the fear of judgement shown on this thread?

Do you know how many people have their lives torn to pieces by alcoholics who have no desire to recover? I have an alcoholic parent, she single handedly destroyed my childhood and was well on the way to sabotaging my children's had I not made the decision to go NC.

The selfish woman has driven me to the brink of a nervous breakdown at 32 weeks pregnant. She isn't like Darby, she's an utter bastard and an energy vampire. A parasite.

Frazzledd · 04/09/2021 11:14

@Hurdl There are also toxic people in this world regardless of whether they're an addict/alcoholic. Like I said, it's complex.

Your right to go NC, I'm also NC with my Narcissistic parent, for similar reasons to yourself. Her high functioning two bottles of wine & then onto the g&t's ever since I can remember, her hatred of me being born a girl, her abandonment and control.....she would never admit to any of this, she's not an alcoholic in her eyes, she has money, a business and doesn't feel one ounce of remorse for any of her actions and never will. In fact, if she was posting on here she would be fully on the side of judgement, with a full glass in her hand....

Regardless of my personal family experiences, I've also lost friends to this disease, people who deserved and longed for recovery, who felt shame, guilt and judgement. I would never judge anyone suffering addiction.

Everyone has a story, I've known people like @Darbysmama I've also had a mother similar to yourself. Does my experience with my mother mean I have the right to blanket judge people suffering addiction?

EmeraldShamrock · 04/09/2021 11:29

No-one chooses to be an addict but it is awful for the family members, every addict is trying to fill a hole, sometimes it is selfish reasons with fear keeping them there.

My friends DD is 19 her father is dying now, when she was younger she'd ask "why doesn't he stop for me" it is too late now. 😔

Frazzledd · 04/09/2021 11:38

@Hurdl what I would add is that I have been Nc with her for a long time, I don't feel any anger or even resentment towards her anymore. It took work, but I let it go and moved forward. Its not raw to me as it is to you and I can understand where your coming from so I'm in no way undermining your situation.

In a weird way I feel sorry for her now, even though her narcissism would scoff at the very thought.

GintyMcGinty · 04/09/2021 11:39

It is a disease.

I feel sympathy for other human beings who suffer from a disease.

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