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AIBU?

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AIBU - partner wants me to stop speaking Italian with my mum

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countrywalks1 · 12/05/2020 10:25

AIBU? Me and my partner have been staying at my mum's flat because of covid issues. She told me after 2 days here that she feels it's rude that I speak Italian with mum in front of her as she doesn't know what's going on and doesn't understand the language. I replied saying I understand it must be frustrating not to know, especially as she's the kind of person who likes to know everything, and the pandemic is really tough on her as she's homesick and hasn't been home properly for months, so I can understand why as she says she feels excluded.

However, my counterpoint was that I usually (about 60%) talk with mum in Italian. Culturally, I would say I'm half British and half Italian - I've mostly grown up in the UK but was born and most of my extended family are and live in Italy. I speak Italian fluently, but if I don't speak it regularly it gets a bit worse as I get out of practice with tenses and conjugations etc.

So I speak Italian with my mum because: 1) for me it's the language we've always communicated; 2) it makes me feel more connected with my Italian culture; 3) it pleases me to practice it; 4) I'm pretty sure my mum prefers talking to me in Italian than in English as she doesn't really get to speak it with anyone after my granddad (her dad) passed away a few years ago as did my very bilingually fluent brother. It's complicated I know!!!!

So told this to my partner, she says she appreciates the reasoning but still unnecessary to speak it when she's there as it feels she's excluded. I told her I understand why but I struggle to understand why she couldn't move past it as I've been in the same situation with friends speaking a language I don't understand where I just talk English when I can, or ask what's going on. The other thing is that usually my mum will save talking to me in Italian for mum things like telling me off or telling me to do something. I emphasised that we're never using it to talk about her or be nasty, and we kind of slip into it naturally.

Still she says she feels excluded, which at this point I understand. She was also in my opinion a bit nasty and in anger said we moved over here to the UK and chose to stay so we shouldn't really be talking Italian anymore anyway, we should be British. This I put down to anger that I wasn't understanding her point of view. In her defence she did also say I could speak it if I taught her Italian, although I struggle that the emphasis is on me to teach her when we have been together for 8 years and even gone over to visit my Italian relatives in Italy and been to weddings etc - without ever having tried to learn. Albeit we've been doing vocational education together throughout this time so many other important things to learn.

So last night I worked really hard to make sure I spoke only in English with everyone, so when mum asked me something in Italian I actively made sure to reply in English.

I just need to know AIBU in feeling disappointed? I understand my partner's frustration, and I can try to cut down on the Italian for a little while because of the circumstances - it's tough being homesick and then not even being able to understand the conversation where you are. It's just the request that I cut down on speaking Italian with my mum when she's also there - as I told her, I expect that I will always see mum with her (we're planning on getting married). I also feel that she's asking me to hide away (in the context of communicating with mum) a little part of my own culture. Therefore, AIBU to not let this lie?

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Cherrysoup · 12/05/2020 15:55

Dirlo a andare cagrsi. Bad bit of google translate?

I think it’s shit to have anything more than a few words when the 3 of you are living in such close confines and that’s me talking as someone fluent in several other languages. However, I’d say your partner should be making an effort to learn Italian, without you having to teach her, she’s not a kid.

ravenmum · 12/05/2020 16:02

One phrase your partner should understand: “La mamma è sempre la mamma.”!
Oh, good reminder that OP may be a man (?) with an Italian mother/son thing going on. Maybe it's just the Italian men I've met, but I have the impression that could cause a bit of intercultural stress?

satsumamumma · 12/05/2020 16:04

Under normal circumstances I think it's fine to speak Italian with your mum. But lockdown is tough and if it's just the three of you in the house then it really is rude to leave your partner out of the conversation.
She should probably learn some Italian after eight years but right now she doesn't speak it and you're excluding her.

zafferana · 12/05/2020 16:07

This is what is called a 'red flag' OP.

Your gf is petulant, controlling and insecure.

I suggest she doesn't become your wife.

maria860 · 12/05/2020 16:09

Don't know two girls do this at work and it really annoys me when it's half the day and non of us know what their saying to each other so I do understand her POV

AllIMissNowIsTheSea · 12/05/2020 16:19

maria860 why on earth do you need to understand what they are saying to each other when you're (from what you've written) in a group with plenty of other people? Do you always insist on knowing the ins and out of everything everyone says in every private conversation which happens anywhere around you? If you miss a bit of a conversation going on in the ladies do you insist on being updated even when it is nothing to do with you?

AllIMissNowIsTheSea · 12/05/2020 16:23

It is true ravenmum that perhaps the OP is a man (why was I assuming a same sex couple?) and in that case the mother-adult son dynamic could be more of an issue than the language here!

If it's a suffocatingly close/ controlling/ infantalising parent-adult child relationship that is actually the probem the relationship is just as doomed if it's one partner trying to ban the other from speaking their mother tongue and all that represents for future children.

It sounds like a poor relationship which probably doesn't have a long and happy future anyway, which ever way around it is!

Riverviews · 12/05/2020 16:56

your partner sounds very insecure and totally not very supportive of your culture. In fact, that comments sounds outright xenophobic to me. I speak to my son in my language. I have always done, and we both like it. If we have a visitor, we'll switch to English, but after 8 years, I would expect your partner not to feel like "a visitor" any more. She should learn Italian or leave you to it!

recycledbottle · 12/05/2020 17:03

Excluding someone from a conversation is obviously rude. The fact that you or DM dont see this is worrying. I also suspect (just a reading could be wrong)that OP is a man and that he and DM have the sterotypical italian man and his momma relationship. The language sharing to the exclusion of others and also that the mother is chastising an adult are a sign of this. Your partner could learn italian but they would only be learning it so that they can speak to a maybe MIL in future who can speak prefect english. Either way your DP is a guest in your mothers property so they should just sit and observe. I dont think when you are staying in other peoples homes, you should be kicking up a fuss.

CarolefeckinBaskin · 12/05/2020 17:21

She is BU
I think it's rude to insist tbh.
Yes it can be a little uncomfortable when you're unsure what is being said but in no way does it mean you're being talked about.
I was in a LT relationship with a guy from Europe. His dad knew a little English but his mum none apart from pleasantries.
I learned their language. As the only native English speaker I felt that was the polite thing to do, it never occurred to me to ask them to use English only in their foreign home/family.
It took me a bastard age though as it's a hard one (Slavic) but I got there. I then started helping his mum with her English too as she wanted to speak with me in my native tongue.
They lived in the UK too.
I know from when I lived in their Country, I used their language most often obviously but as soon as I had a chance to speak English I'd grab it, Especially If the person was English too, I'd literally talk the ears off them :)

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 12/05/2020 17:23

learning by total immersion while on lockdown with your partner's mum, during a pandemic, is probably one of the less fun ways to learn.

She could have had 8 years of learning Italian by having her bf talk dirty to her in the bedroom Grin Isn't there a saying that the quickest way to learn a language is to go out with someone who speaks it? She must be able to swear at least.

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 12/05/2020 17:24

Your partner could learn italian but they would only be learning it so that they can speak to a maybe MIL in future who can speak prefect english.

Maybe OP would like to teach their kids Italian?

ClaryFray · 12/05/2020 17:25

It's rude imo! You should Include all people in the conversation.

Crabbo · 12/05/2020 17:35

She told you that you should speak English because you’re in the UK? Even though it’s your mums flat Confused I’d give her the boot just for that tbh.
My dh speaks Chinese with his family 100% of the time, I have zero problem with it - if I want to know what they’re talking about I can either ask and he’ll explain in English (as I’m sure you would?) or I can learn Chinese...

TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 12/05/2020 18:04

It's rude imo! You should Include all people in the conversation.

Not when you have to do it 24/7 and you are the guest. It is ok to expect translation at certain times of the day but demanding for everyone to talk to her in a language that is not their own all time is entitled, selfish and disrespectful to boot, it takes a huge amount to be translating for someone all the time.

If she really said they should speak English because they are not in Italy she has earned her right to be kicked out of the house.

IcyWind · 12/05/2020 18:10

It depends on whether you do it when you’re all together and don’t include her

maria860 · 12/05/2020 18:22

@AllIMissNowIsTheSea I don't need to know or care what their saying but I work in an office of five people two of which are those two and they speak in another language and we all work together as a team so yes I find it rude within the workplace as team members!
Another colleague has said it also that they find it rude it's like whispering it's rude. Do it in the canteen do it outside wherever not in a small confined office space.

mrpumblechook · 12/05/2020 18:33

I dont think when you are staying in other peoples homes, you should be kicking up a fuss.

True, but you can also decide not to visit people's homes if they insist on speaking in a language that you don't understand so you are excluded. It depends on whether OP wants their partner to continue visiting his mother I suppose. The fact that my in-laws didn't make an effort to speak English certainly put me off visiting.

Justaboy · 12/05/2020 18:59

Помощь! Моя жена хоронит меня под внутренним двориком!

Justaboy · 12/05/2020 19:00

Whoops! soz that was just a test to see if MN could handle Russian!!!

Justaboy · 12/05/2020 19:02

مرسته! زما میرمن ما د سرپرستانو لاندې ښخوي!

Seems it can do a bit more!

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 19:08

Ilmatyynyalukseni on täynnä ankeriaita

Justaboy · 12/05/2020 19:09

I suppose that if you marry an other language spekar then there is an onus to learn his her lingo. My ex was French and whilst i can under stand it if its very s-l-w-l-y spoken then fine, but the normal speed you lost me there! but as she often said if you don't want to miss out then bloody well learn.

DD's are multilingual but rarely use that capability.

Once went out for a while with a woman who manged 14 languages fluentenly middle eastern and european inc russian and a bit of chinese!

wowfudge · 12/05/2020 19:10

Haven't rtft - only a few pages. It's rude to exclude someone from the conversation by speaking a language they don't understand in their presence when you can speak their language. If you DM speaks to you in Italian, answer in English then at least your DP has an idea what is being talked about. I speak three languages as well as English, with varying levels of competence. It's good manners to translate for someone who doesn't have a strong grasp or to avoid speaking the language they don't really understand.

Justaboy · 12/05/2020 19:10

Ilmatyynyalukseni on täynnä ankeriaita

Yes, I belive most nordic lanagues are broadly similar Y/N ??