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Is he Anal or am I in the wrong

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IsHeAnal · 11/05/2020 21:06

Can someone just please tell me if I’m be unreasonable when I tell my partner that he is playing mind games with my girls. This is written in a rush after yet another incident so I’m a bit peed off right now. It’s long and sorry for all mistakes and grammar.

We’ve been together since end 2016. Moved in together end 2018. He moved to my area and we moved into a new place.
He is brilliant with the girls. He never had any children himself. I don’t drive so all after school activities etc that’s not within walking distance he takes and drops them. He treat them. Surprised them this Xmas with one of their favourite music artists (might be cancelled) but just to give you an idea that he does a lot for them.

Now my biggest biggest issue is what I personally call “anal” behaviour. The girls are 12 and 9. From all my friends near and friends who I know who doesn’t live near us my girls go to bed early. Always has either screen time on their iPads or on DD1s phone. If behaviour isn’t good I can just say to them “put your phone downstairs until you behave better etc”. They might be annoyed but they don’t question my choices. My 9 year old is a little like me and will ask me if I’m the boss of her etc or why am I on my phone before reluctantly putting hers down.

I’m now going to list what he does that annoy the hell out of me.

  1. He will hide 9 year olds iPad to test if she will come and hug me in the morning because she “loves” me or because she wants the iPad.
  2. He used to go into DD1s room to hide her laptop as DD1 tend to give her laptop for DD2 to play minecraft. So when he is at work and DD1 needs to do work on laptop we can’t find it. I lost my shit about that so that is the only thing that stopped. And similar he hides DD1s iPad for same reason. But still always come and moan at me that she’s on it when he walks past there bedroom.
  3. He will come and tell me every single time if DD2 is on her iPad or on her sisters gadgets. Every single time. I’ve got screen time on from 9am to 6pm and sometimes extend it depending on if she’s been doing other stuff all day and not been on her iPad. But even though it’s available to use all day she’s limited to 2hrs app time. So if she’s been 2hrs non stop on there she cannot continue on it unless she asks me.
  4. Brushing of teeth: every single night after I’ve kissed them whether they’ve come downstairs or I’ve gone up and told them get ready for bed i.e. pjs on and teeth. He will shout up brush your teeth. He will then pretend to go to the toilet to go and feel if their toothbrushes are wet. And go on and on if one of the girls happened to not have done it.
  5. He now also during lockdown go in every morning and put their toothbrushes in a particular position to see if they’ve moved it. If it hasn’t moved it proofs that they haven’t yet again brush their teeth. And use it against them for something. Every bloody time. Most of the time the girls are currently especially during lockdown in their onesies. So yes tend to forget stuff like brushing their teeth as they tend to have breakfast after JoeWicks and then start school work at 10.
  6. He is constantly onto DD1 about showering. It’s lockdown. Most of the time she finds excuses right now. My thinking is she will struggle and she’ll stink if she doesn’t shower so she’s old enough to know better. He is constantly making note of when she had a shower. So I flipped last week and said what if she starts her period (she hasn’t yet) will you also be on and aware of it all the time. I would have hated that if I was her age.
  7. DD2 is working downstairs as she’s only 9 and DD1 in her own room. Every now and then he will come downstairs and if DD2 is doing anything remotely that doesn’t look school work related he will make comments and reference to it or “questioning” if we are actually doing school work.
  8. Bed time: for years my girls slept 7pm to 7am. Until I started to feel sorry for them as I know their friends sleep later. 2 years ago that was extended to 8pm. Now I personally don’t mind if it’s 8:30 to 9 during term time for DD2 and 9-10 for DD1. Its lockdown so I honestly would not have been all that bothered. But whether it’s normal school days or weekends or holidays he is constantly moaning about bed time. Saying he needs his alone time and chill out time. He goes to bed at 9:15. So most evenings I’m there on my own. I have always been the type of parent who had a 7-7 bedtime routine but flexible with my girls as youngsters so if we were heading to a playgroup or meeting a friend and they fell asleep on their way I’d still go as they’ll sleep in pushchair or they’d fall asleep on their way home but I could always lift them out of pushchair and put them asleep into their cot with no make ups. Their dad was a massive asshole but my girls were very good babies/children.
  9. He hates it when the girls come in for cuddles in the morning as he doesn’t believe kids belong in their parents bedroom let alone if he isn’t there. But will quite happily like a photo of my friend who has 3 kids and her partner who has 2 kids and her having all 5 on her bed.
Please tell me that I have every reason to lose my shit. My biggest worry is my eldest is almost a teenager and she’s going to have friends in and out of our house or want to stay up even later. The girls love him and id hate for them to be older and resent him when he does such a lot for them. But they’d end up resenting him as he behaves like a snitch. Every single time when they are doing stuff that’s very small he runs to me. Every every time. So AIBU to tell him to just bloody stop it and enjoy this age and stage the girls are at as they really are not difficult kids. Please help!
OP posts:
ponchek · 12/05/2020 07:52

Just wrote my longest post ever ... and it said 'success!' in uploading but now it's not here!!! 😭😭😅

My conclusion was:

Whether he's a bit of a pain with OCD, or hostile to the girls and jealous over you, or a closet monster grooming them and fooling you: if any guy I brought in checked my daughter's toothbrush even ONCE, he would be straight out.

It's too toxic. Horrible for the girls and you to live with.

I vote thumbs down. Sooner rather than later.

CaptainAthena · 12/05/2020 08:08

Reading the OP made me so tense my shoulders were up by my ears! Very very creepy and inappropriate behaviour, your poor girls!

All the "baffled!" "am I reading a different thread?!" posters - did you miss the bits where the women who were abused as children said that this behaviour rings huge alarm bells? Lucky you for not having experienced it but maybe give a bit of respect to those who have. There's a reason many of us are finding this difficult and creepy and your faux-puzzlement is just fucking offensive

HeyDuggeewhatchadoin · 12/05/2020 08:23

Something about him got my hackles up from the first post. I think you need to talk to Women's Aid and see what they think, i see you've done the Freedom Programme and that is a basic guide.
Women's Aid can give you some more in depth advice on this particular situation. It's so difficult to tell from inside the relationship so getting their opinion would be helpful as to whether this is normal behaviour or not.

dottiedodah · 12/05/2020 08:30

He has to go really doesnt he?You know that and so do we .Most importantly your girls are getting mixed messages from him .You say your girls "love him" but many children will pretend to get on well with him to please you .He seems to be jealous of them and your love for them .The older they get the more they will become resentful Im afraid.

Fluffycloudland77 · 12/05/2020 08:47

If you did the freedom program how come you ended up with another controlling partner so quickly?.

He’s fucking weird and that’s been stated repeatedly on this thread but you don’t seem willing to protect your daughters?.

recklessruby · 12/05/2020 08:47

Micromanaging a 12 year old? Good luck with that in the next few years.
Unfortunately you re going to have to tell him to back off now if you dont want massive battles with your dds over his controlling ways soon.
What about when they want to sleep over at friends houses (obv after lockdown) or start bringing boys home? I cant see him being too happy as they get older and more resentful and he loses control.
And youngest dd has already called him a snitch?
Yanbu to lose your shit with him.

wossgoinon · 12/05/2020 08:53

Long time lurker here. But rejoined to post

@IsHeAnalPlease leave him. My ex bf of six years was like this. Took pictures if my kids over filled the cat bowl. Mocked my mothers day cards saying that my kids didn't love me they just want things etc.
Turning the wifi off. Long lectures on why his way was the best way.
It all came to ahead when my daughter turned 16 and we were cooking a roast. He tried to take over. My daughter rightly got upset then he hit her over the head because she wasn't listening to him anymore. We finished that day.
Please don't let it get as far as I did.
3 years on no more walking on eggshells. Kids are happy and not policed and finally we can breathe again

PeppermintPasty · 12/05/2020 08:54

Reread Graphista’s post on page 11, please take on board what she is saying.

Nursejackie1 · 12/05/2020 09:00

You are talking about making choices in your last post but I cannot honestly see what choice there is to make. He has got to go. It’s simple.
I am a single mother and if anybody had the fucking audacity to come into my kids home and start their little testing games on my kids they would be out like a shot.
You sound like a really good parent, who puts your girls first but for some reason this has you blinded. Manipulative men have amazing ways of doing this and making you question yourself.
I also wouldn’t be so confident about the sexual abuse side of things. As others have said you can do everything you can to make things as safe and open with your kids but it’s never 100% guaranteed. The only peado I know of in our family turned out to be the last one you would have thought. You would have bet your life in him being innocent.
I feel physically sick reading about his testing and his controlling... if you don’t think anything else is going on this behaviour alone is enough to get him out and run for the hills.
You are seriously underestimating the long term effects living with this shit will have on your girls mental health.

ponchek · 12/05/2020 09:02

Actually I can't get this out of my head. I've just been trying to imagine the feelings and thought processes that you and him went through as your little girl comes to give you a kiss and cuddle in the morning, and he watches to see if she asks for the iPad, then tells you he hid it to see if she loves you or the iPad.

You are all three living in an abusive situation. Of course abuse isn't always physical. In fact it's more likely to be emotional/verbal.

How must you have felt? How must you feel when (/if) you have sex with a man who has been so cruel and has painted your little girl as materialistic and screen-obsessed and not loving you? Aka a spoiled brat?

How do you think he considers them in his head?

I actually think that on some level he hates them. He probably tries to deny that even to himself. Probably.

How can you cope with a stranger trying to discipline your girls like this? And seeing them in this way?

Are you scared of him? I feel like maybe we don't know everything here. You've kind of said nothing about your own feelings for him and relationship with him. Apart from that he goes to bed at 9.15 and you go later.

Is he older? Is there a generational difference?

And the main question ......

Why are you with him?

That's an open-ended question - I don't mean why have you left. Just what is it that brought you together and what is your relationship?

Whatisthisfuckery · 12/05/2020 09:02

He’s playing power games OP. He’s controlling your DDs and undermining you, and he wants everyone to know he is in control. As your girls get older this will get worse If you don’t either put your foot down, or even better get shut of him. it’ll end up driving a wedge between you and your DDs, and there’ll be rows because he’ll play manipulative games to get you to side with him. This is going nowhere good OP. Honestly I’d get him to move out.

The problem under all this is he sees your DDs as beneath him. He sees them as property he can control, and if he thinks that about your DDs it doesn’t say anything good about how he views you either.

ilikepurple · 12/05/2020 09:03

He's not anal he is controlling and I'd get him away from my DC if it was me.

Fluffycloudland77 · 12/05/2020 09:10

Op; AIBU.
MN; Yes, yabvvu.
Op; Ianbu, here’s all my reasons why.
Mn; 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

IAmcuriousyellow · 12/05/2020 09:11

It’s like he wants to be your “best kid” isn’t it.. Look mummy she hasn’t brushed her teeth... look mummy they’re whispering when they should be asleep...

Telling tales. Setting up “traps”. Reporting to you so you can tell them off. Not nice behaviour in any world, and he seriously needs to stop that shit because he’s making himself appear petty and spiteful and jealous frankly.

I don’t suppose your girls do really love him. I think they’re trying to appease him, probably to protect you. But bless them life isn’t going to get any easier as they grow up - teenage years are coming and you can expect some serious challenging, do some hard things now (or just one hard thing) and help them out instead of finding excuses for this man.

ALovelyBitOfSquirrel · 12/05/2020 09:16

@Fluffycloudland77 Grin indeed and that's a very long reply from someone who has important exams coming up.

OP , if you didn't think there was shitloads of problems here, you would not have posted. You've been with him for four years , he's lived with you for two and suddenly he's bullying/abusing parenting your DDs. Wise up!

JediJim · 12/05/2020 09:21

Don’t understand the point in this thread. The OP seems more interested in doing exams and disregarding the advice given to her. She’s obviously going to stay in this relationship so why ask our opinions?
But someone policing my children this way and stopping them coming into my bedroom for a hug would be a game changer for me.

lunar1 · 12/05/2020 09:23

If you aren't ready to end this relationship I'm pleading with you not to show him this thread.

Best case scenario he's a controlling bully.

Worst case, he's grooming you and your girls.

Showing him this thread could help him lay low, hide his tracks and know your 'tells' to be able to find your online activity in the future.

Even if the behaviour he is showing is all there is to it you need to get rid, you are teaching your children how a relationship should look, is this what you want for them?

I have a very open relationship with my boys, I make it clear that they can talk to me about anything. They are very open with me and it's a completely different relationship than the one I had with my own parents.

The minute you deluded yourself into thinking your children will 100% come to you if something is wrong is the moment you closed yourself off to properly monitoring what's happening.

Leave this man, he is no good for your daughters on any level.

yellowbluebell · 12/05/2020 09:33

Be a good mother to your daughters and get this creepy controlling bully out of your life and theirs.

icansmellburningleaves · 12/05/2020 09:38

It sounds like he has an unhealthy interest in your girls, taking any excuse to sneak up on them. This isn’t normal at all.

Schoenes · 12/05/2020 09:39

Do try to behave like a mother. Your poor daughters. He sounds very creepy and you sound deluded. You ought to do the freedom programme again, after you have kicked him out. I don't know about abuse, however reading the posts made by people who have experienced it, made my flesh crawl. If my husband behaved in such an obsessive bullying and controlling way with our children I would make him leave pronto.Don't show him this thread, he will merely wheedle his way out. Are you very afraid of him?

Schoenes · 12/05/2020 09:41

Don't show him

yellowbluebell · 12/05/2020 09:48

Are you seriously going to show him this thread? Seriously????? Stop it now. He is controlling everything if you do this.

But if you do show him , hello you controlling sad bully of a man, hope YOU have cleaned YOUR teeth and YOU have showered today and I hope YOU aren't spending too much time on a screen and making sure YOU go to bed on time.

Anydreamwilldo12 · 12/05/2020 10:04

I'm not sure about any sexual element to his behaviour but I do think he is acting like a man child snitching big brother type. Tittle tattling on your girls if they don't shower or brush their teeth and setting traps so he can toot on them to you like your the Mum and he's one of your children.
He doesn't want the girls coming into the bedroom while you two are in bed as he want to be the top kid and have you all to himself, not have the pesky little sisters getting the attention he wants.
He hasn't got kids and doesn't have the matured response to parenting. He is absolutely clueless in that regard.
Your girls sound like absolute darlings and don't deserve being subject to these creepy mind games and controlling actions.

OlaEliza · 12/05/2020 10:09

Watch abducted in plain sight, op, on Netflix.

This thread actually makes me feel sick. I can imagine him creeping and hiding on the landing after they have gone to bed trying to catch them out at chatting/moving beds.

You need to protect your children op.

Lockdownsnackathon · 12/05/2020 10:13

Graphista. Your post gave me chills. This is exactly what it was like for me too.

Those of you on this thread saying its reaching are lucky enough not to know why it isn't, clearly
And those of you saying it sounds like normal stepdad behaviour must have extremely poor boundaries.