7pm Boris speech thread - anyone want to join?

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I'm a nervy bee and thought it would be fun to watch with you all!

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It was waffle; vague, disingenuous, lack of detail, usual Johnston passing the buck on to others, in this case the population of England. I hope all of you on here , in England have long memories when the next election comes around.

Blackberry - Before yesterday people in England were only allowed to go out for exercise once a day, ie one walk or one bike ride etc, now you can have as many walks and bike rides as you like.

Anyone got a link to the detailed information on the new guidelines?

Coolcarrie - I didn't think it was vague.

If you can't work from home then go back to work if your employer can implement 2 metre distancing measures for all employees. Walk or drive to work if you can.
People can now have unlimited exercise. Families can go for picnics and play sport but must be from same household and keep 2 metres from other households. You can drive to other places as long as you keep to 2 metre rule once there.

You can meet one friend or family member not from same household in a public place only, keeping 2 metres distance.

There will be a phased return to school from June.

So now they are saying Raab got it wrong this morning, he said back to work Wednesday and No 10 said no it was today. Raab saying you can meet people (Parents) in the park if you keep 2 metres distance, no 10 saying no. This is on BBC news now.

So the Foreign Minister doesn't seem to understand it.

What a total shambles. I'm doing my own thing from now on but staying alert.

Anyone got a link to the detailed information on the new guidelines?

The guidelines are being publicly released at 2pm.

Deputy (and former acting PM) Dominic Raab has since rescinded some of what he said earlier this morning and he has also been contridicted by the Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill (civil servant in charge of drafting guidance and implimentation of guidance).

Its an absoluete farce when the someone who supposedly was instrumental in writing the new guidance doesn't understand it and gives out incorrect information.

How on earth is anyone else supposed to understand what the fuck is going on.

Sensible protocol is to do a briefing on a monday and have the documents ready for publication immediately afterwards with a proper press conference briefing to clear up incorrect information.

Instead we had Johnson wanting his prime time slot on a sunday to get the biggest audience possible.

Even if the policy is sound, the implimentation of it is proving to be absoluetely dire.

cool carrie

I dont blame Boris for this - at time like this we defer to the "experts" and what I think this whole fiasco has shown up is that - we are severely lacking in good experts in this field. We should have immediately looked to the places with special pandemic teams like SK and emulated...with reason and with our own situation in mind.

We are slow and clunky here. We seem to be lacking brilliant minds.

I lay the blame at the school system.

JC had he been PM would be relying on the same so called experts ..so I cannot see what difference it would have made except JC would have forced us into perpetual financial hardship to then force a type of communism on us all and state controls everything.

Common sense tells us - that people at a social distance in a park - have a lower chance of spreading the virus - than crammed into a packed - hot and sweaty drunken race meet - with packed public transport there and back - crammed loos etc.

But their science models and "evidence" based on a new novel virus - where there is pitiful "evidence" apparently, showed up differently.

Common sense tells us that if we all wore masks - we would catch some covid cells before they emit into the air or into our nostrils , but they told us masks would make us touch our faces more?

They said there was no "evidence" that children catch covid and that they wont pass it on in schools and that if they close schools it would be GP - the vulnerable having to look after dc.

They discounted all the teaching staff - and all grounds, catering, admin etc staff in educational settings, the bus drivers, lolli pop people etc - crammed corridors, and whose GP have looked after dc ? Non I know have at all?

Its all utter non sense.

No mamamia that's incorrect.

The rules, the only legally binding bit, imposed no limitations on the number of times. Wales did, but not England. People got confused because of ministerial statements and guidance.

Yet we're all thickos

I don't think I've ever watched anything that has made me feel more thick.

@Gobbolinocat I'd recommend watching the Health Select Committee question Sir Patrick Vallance. He said there has not been a single occasion when the scientists gave one piece of advice, normally a range of 3 or 4 (I think) different opinions/scenarios.

The govt choose which bit suited them so blame them not the scientists.

I've seen Paddy at lectern, telling us that models say this or that? I remember him talking about the race meets and being very confident and sure that there was no "evidence" to say they would be an issue , he said with absolute certainty that the virus didn't spread out in the open air.

Cue a week later we are being told we cannot go near people in a park - far far less crowded than a race meet or a footy match.

It was also him SPV who was going on about herd immunity.

The problem is the lack of logic imo. For example, on the face of it, the announcement was clear, I can go to the park and sunbathe 2m away from a stranger all afternoon but I still can’t go round to my friend’s garden and sit 2m away from her and chat. The statement was clear but doesn’t make much sense.

A Million - non of it has though.
Its basic common sense.

I 100% get why people think there was a once a day exercise rule in England. I've heard people who I know to be intelligent say it. They just don't know the distinction between rules and guidance. You could be a world leader in your field and not happen to be aware of that, if your field is unrelated.

Not that being thick means you somehow don't have to be considered anyway. Some people are thick. They still matter. They still deserve to be able to understand the message their government is giving them in a pandemic.

Blackberry - Ah yes I get what you're saying it was Government guidelines. But I think most people stuck to the guidelines of only going out once a day.

Amillionmugs - I would think because if you go and sit in someone's garden you may be tempted to have a cup of tea, might need the toilet etc. whereas if you're in a public place you're not going to stay long if cafés and public toilets aren't open.

@Gobbolinocat he isn't the whole of SAGE though. So if a group of them meet, maybe a dozen or more, and they come up with six different opinions he said they would present more than one to the govt but not all of them. He might personally have agreed with everything the govt decided to do, or he might have personally felt something else would be better but when he was speaking for SAGE advice he couldn't say, "Well the SAGE advice the govt has decided to accept is this but personally I'd do that." He would have to resign to do that and that is down to his conscience i.e. does he value his job more than his scientific opinion or does he think he can do more good inside the inner circle or outside it.

So now they are saying Raab got it wrong this morning, he said back to work Wednesday and No 10 said no it was today. Raab saying you can meet people (Parents) in the park if you keep 2 metres distance, no 10 saying no. This is on BBC news now.

So the Foreign Minister doesn't seem to understand it.

BBC just said you can meet up with other people, not person, as long as 2metre distancing.

I'm not sure if:
A. The BBC have flipped
B. I'm going mad
C. The govt are useless.

Personally I favour C.

C. The govt are useless

Definitely the right answer.
No wonder Boris is the leader.

Corbyn wouldn’t have been any better i think. Why weren’t people coming from anywhere outside the UK put in quarantine? I know nothing about viruses, but to me that would have been common sense.

Christ, it's scraping the barrel trying to drag Corbyn into this.

It's entirely on Johnson and Raab.