7pm Boris speech thread - anyone want to join?

[Therealfatshady]

I'm a nervy bee and thought it would be fun to watch with you all!

Some schools are actively looking for guidance on what PPE their staff should be wearing, and if the headteacher decides, and it later proves to be the wrong call - who is liable?

Masks, or no masks? if so, what type? and do they need to be specifically facefitted (special term or individually measured per face).

Still so many unknowns.

MyBlueMoonbeam

The educators of our kids (and I know they can be a mixed bag) deserve respect. I don't get that feeling about England.

No wonder there is a shortage of teaching/pre school staff. Why would you bother?

A lot of parents (not all) just seem to assume the schools should just be there regardless... and when they 'closed' (they didn't really close, they restricted who could attend), then they feel aggrieved. No thought for families of teachers, just themselves.

It's not all parents, but far too many.

@maresydoats

So so true 😞

Allowing reception, YR1 and Y6 will still mean parents are looking after siblings or children in YR2 - Y5

Do you want them all sent back at once??

It would be more useful to parents if they just extended the childcare scheme for keyworkers children to all children whose families needed the childcare in order to work. It's probably fewer children than people think. It's amazing how many keyworkers have managed to keep their children at home. That said I can well imagine some people being put in very difficult situations now with employers insisting they return to work but no childcare available.

I'd really like to know the reasoning behind choosing YR,Y1 and Y6.

My poor DH, come 1st June he's going to be in charge of homeschool for three children alongside WFH as I have to go back in. In my school, it looks like only staff who have had a shielding letter are going to be allowed to stay at home. I'd guess the children will be split into smaller classes and spread throughout the school. I don't know if the teachers from other year groups will still be expected to do home learning as well as work in school.

You can read the address here:
www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-10-may-2020

His speech was a ridiculously convoluted pile of waffle which lacked clarity and raised more questions than it answered. As a public information broadcast it failed dismally.

And what will key workers do, if their primary children are in years 2-5? As it stands, it sounds as if their DC will no longer qualify for a school place when they did before

Why are people saying things that absolutely were not said in the speech?

No wonder there is a shortage of teaching/pre school staff.

There won’t be in 12 months time, however. Recessions solve teacher shortages, it’s when times are good that it is less attractive.

Teaching’s a really difficult job have no issue with that. Some of the stuff that is being posted by teachers on social media is , however. Unfortunately a minority are doing neither themselves or their highly professional colleagues any favours at all.

There won’t be in 12 months time, however. Recessions solve teacher shortages, it’s when times are good that it is less attractive.

My friend is an admissions admin for a uni, she was saying that enquiries for PGCE courses are through the roof. I guess a lot of people are looking into keyworker roles for the stability, but where you don't need to have had recent school experience at the moment to apply, I wonder how many will actually see it through when they realise the reality. It's sad though that you are right, many teachers will stay because they have to, and it will be yet another good few years without the government feeling they need to do anything to improve conditions for teachers because numbers are okay.

Sandy the unions are an enormous problem in reaching and their total lack of reason during this crisis is a bigger issue for teachers right now than the government. Clearly kids need educating, clearly kids and teachers need protecting as far as possible. But the unions advise against all online delivery and they want 100% safety before anyone returns. It’s totally pie in the sky - vulnerable teachers will end up forced to quit when the unions should be protecting them.

I was reading that they are considering making working from home a legal right, so your employer can't say no if your job can be done from home. I really hope that happens as my employers are cunts and will pointlessly drag me into the office if they possibly can

DP was delighted to hear this. He can work from home and being an anti-social git, is delighted not to have to mix with his colleagues or endure them "droning on". He says that he will work from home for ever if he can.

I'm not so keen. I work 17 hours over 3 days, and I'm really missing the time I have alone at home. I could work from home too, but when lockdown ends, I think I'll go back to the office, at least some of the time. There's a fair chance that I'll be the only one in the office at least some of the time.

PGCE is a learning-on-job course now, I thought (?) As in, the trainees do a huge amount of interaction as part of the training and very little class-room based learning. how will the interaction part of the larning work with schools mostly closed for next 18m?

Schools won’t be closed for 18 months. That is totally daft.

There are other options anyway which allow teachers to learn on the job (GTP/ Apprenticeship/ Teach first). In theory a graduate can be in the classroom in September.

If there is a blended approach next year as has been outlined in Scotland they would be assessed and developed against this. They would still be classroom teaching.

schools mostly closed for next 18m?

Where have you got that from??

Thought his speech was awful.
I can't explain how I feel about it. Wishy washy. Waffley. But also chear. I did understand the rules.

I don't understand people all over FB and Matt Lucas saying it was clear as mud. I thought it was quite clear.

Social distancing rules still apply. He wants people back at work. He can't afford to fund the furlough portal.
But 2m rules still apply.

I get it.

"Arranging a meet with mates under the auspices of doing a bit of exercise at the same time is 'arranging a meet' - NOT ok."
Raab disagrees. Maybe it's not so clear after all

It was clear - in terms of what we can do. What wasn't clear was the rationale as to why. I would have liked to hear him give the reasons behind the changes. There was a lot of waffle that said very little.

The media are twisting this all and presenting the information given in a distorted way to suit their own agendas.

Looking at all the headlines of the different press this morning, it disgusts me.

Social media and websites like this aren't helping either, they are often giving false information which many people sadly believe.

We are all entitled to our opinions but to give false information that isn't true is absolutely outrageous.

I can't see any pathway forward that allows for normal levels of school, education & training in the next 18m. I will be delighted if I'm wrong. Please come back in 18m & we can all celebrate that I was wrong.

The only voices i hear on media is from people who are convinced that normal life cannot be made safe. Is that misinformation? I feel it's hysteria. No voices saying "We have to accept some risks" seem to be heard or welcome.

But Raab is contradicting Johnson today, and that's in the right-of-centre broadsheets like the Times and Telegraph, as well as in the Mail.

So there is a genuine lack of clarity.

Yes. And yet we're all thickos
Hmm

Piers Morgan is a bit ranty this morning about all this.

I don't think everyone is purposely twisting though kuckfnows, there are people who have made mistakes in good faith. Some of them on this thread. Not helped by eg Johnson presenting the right to take unlimited exercise in England as something new, when it's not. Obviously Johnson has a complex relationship with the truth, but I think it's reasonable for a person to take him at his word and assume he's being accurate. Yet if they did that in respect of the unlimited exercise and presented it as a change, they'd be wrong.

Motorways and tunes crammed this morning apparently. It’s a mess.