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AIBU to feel deceived and struggle to forgive DP for his lie?

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HowdyBubble · 10/05/2020 14:50

Long story short - been with DP just over a year. Don't live together but moved in together briefly for lockdown. When we met, he told me he is a smoker but in the process of giving up (that he'd been trying for ages) and was even chewing nicotine gum when he turned up for our first date.

He's usually fine on the nicotine gum and almost never has tobacco in the house and only slips up if he visits his friends' house (who is a heavy smoker). I found it difficult that he'd always give into temptation if someone smoked around him and alluded to the fact that I don't see myself dating a smoker long term - he took this as an ultimatum (which I guess it was) and got upset but also more determined to try and quit fully.

He told me he would try the stop smoking seminar that is supposed to be really good but obviously, I know we can't right now as everything is shut due to covid.

Unfortunately, me moving was only a couple of weeks after I said the "ultimatum" and I guess he was a bit stung by it. I told him even on the first date that I can't stand smokers (for so many reasons including their health, my health and the grossness factor of it). He weaned himself off the nicotine gum and was doing well for a few days which I was really pleased about. Yet, he'd use the more absurd reasons to justify going to his smoker friend's house and then drink followed by smoke, slip up and then go into extreme self pity, apologizing and saying he's ashamed of himself. Every time this happened, he would always promise that despite him slipping up, he would always be honest about it and never lie to me and in return he just asks for my patience on the journey to quitting smoking. I understood and agreed. When he slips up, he is very receptive to "feedback" and I suggested maybe he should avoid going to see that particular heavily smoking friend whilst he's trying to get rid of this addiction as being in that environment is making quitting much harder. He agreed yet would want to go over again a few days later.

The last time he went over, he made no mention he slipped up when he came back but said he was going to try a different method of quitting from now on. I could smell the cigarettes on him and the next day when he was being moody and blaming me for something, I suggested it might be nicotine withdrawal that's making him feel irritated - he got angry and told me it wouldn't be because he smoked yesterday. He said it so proudly and spitefully, it shocked me. He said I wanted him to fail, etc.

After that, I just went home and he said since then it's been much easier to generally abstain from smoking most of the time as he didn't feel the pressure of being watched/nagged. A lot of the nagging he feels wasn't directly me nagging but even if I recoil because of the smell, etc. he thinks I'm nagging. I know the golden rule of quitting is that the person needs to want to quit THEMSELVES. I've said maybe he subconsciously doesn't want to quit and is only doing it for me. He strongly denies this and said he really wants to quit (a lot of his family members have died of smoking related illnesses and he wouldn't even date a smoker himself as he finds the smell off-putting on others and has really really wanted to quit himself way before he even met me.

Since, he has apologised loads about making me feel bad about it and sorry for being somewhat deceptive but I still feel a bit hurt. In a lot of ways the relationship is amazing but I don't know if I'm being over-sensitive in finding the one time deceptiveness really hurtful or if I am overreacting? I know addiction is hard and I don't feel angry at his slip-ups along the way to quitting but I do feel angry being lied to when he gave me his word he'd always be honest about it (it's only because he gave me that promise that I feel so bad I guess). He is like the most honest person I have ever met - almost frightfully honest about everything and anything so this has shaken me a little I guess. Even this, he confessed the day after angrily so it wasn't full deceptiveness either but still hurts.

Am I being unreasonable in struggle to forgive this one lie? or would you feel the same?

OP posts:
nobodyimportant · 10/05/2020 15:48

Sounds like you're in a relationship with someone you think you can change into someone you want to be in a relationship with. You can't change people. Take him as he is or don't take him at all.

crispysausagerolls · 10/05/2020 15:49

He smokes. You don’t like smoking. The reality is he may never give up - either accept this and get off his back or
End the relationship. I would end the relationship because it’s shit if your partner smokes when you have children.

chipsandgin · 10/05/2020 15:52

These constant trips to see people outside your
household are during U.K. lockdown or am I missing something? That blatant disregard for people’s lives would piss me off far more than the risk to his..

vanillandhoney · 10/05/2020 15:53

You just need to decide whether smoking is a dealbreaker or not. If it is, then end the relationship now.

Or seeing as you've managed to live with it for the last year, maybe just continue as you are? It's obviously not that abhorrent to you or you'd never have dated him in the first place!

Nightowl92 · 10/05/2020 15:53

I agree with the majority. My ex hated smoking constantly made me feel bad for it and acted like I’d committed a crime every time, I ended up sneaking out for cigarettes and lying constantly I felt like a child. We broke up and funnily enough I’m with a smoking partner now and I decided to quit...on my own terms wouldn’t tell him not too. If it’s such a biggie for you break up...end of.

Isawamagpie · 10/05/2020 16:01

Jesus. That's a long post to get to the bottom of

"He smokes. I dont like it. I won't get off his back. Now he's lying to me"

Hes a smoker. Its that simple and quitting is fucking hard. Take it from a smoker herself, who actually can leave it alone for a day or two before it creeps back in.
Quitting is rarely instant, ive quit 3 times for 3 months+, and attempted very many more and yet I'm still a smoker. Despite not having one at all yesterday.

Quitting an addiction is not easy, but you're not a smoker so therefore won't understand

There's bigger crimes than being a smoker, and any amount of having a go, giving feedback, having expectations will not magically change him.

Accept hes a smoker or don't and end the relationship if it really is a deal breaker, but if he's a wonderful as you say- what a waste to throw away a man based on the fact he's a smoker. You actually knew he was a smoker when you became involved - you can't expect him to change to make you happy.

Jux · 10/05/2020 16:03

Split up. But if you can't bear to, suggest he try vaping.

Shoxfordian · 10/05/2020 16:04

You're dating a smoker so if that's a problem for you then you should end it. He clearly hasn't changed and you don't want to be in the smoke police or make him feel like he has to defend himself

Sally872 · 10/05/2020 16:05

Dh smokes. About 3 per day. Really wants to give up has tried for 10 years. Cut right back but cant ever stop for more than a few weeks.

I truly believe he wants to but also eventually accepted he probably isn't going to. It upsets me and I worry about his health or the kids finding out and worrying. But I can't make him stop and won't leave him over it.

You have to accept this, hope he quits one day but accept he may not. If you can't then you have to end it.

Isawamagpie · 10/05/2020 16:06

@tara66 how do you know hypnosis works? I have throught about trying so help me quit

GabsAlot · 10/05/2020 16:06

Do u know how hard it is to quit something the most addictive thing u can do

what was wrong with him having the gum why did u not like ityoure pressuring him too much

either let it go or split up

SharpieInThe · 10/05/2020 16:10

I'd dump him OP. For your other thread alone.

TinRoofRusty · 10/05/2020 16:11

Split up. People have to WANT to quit to do it and even then it usually needs a lot of tries but I've yet to hear of someone successfully quitting because they were nagged into it.

justasking111 · 10/05/2020 16:11

Interestingly the french are studying the effects of nicotine on covid and giving patches to patients.

Seriously he smoked when you met him, now you want to change that, if and when he does stop permanently will you find something else to pick on?

lynzpynz · 10/05/2020 16:17

I'd end the relationship, you've started out with this hanging over you, they're under pressure, you're feeling you're nagging etc. This isn't going to go away until they are ready to quit - despite what they are saying I don't think they are as they aren't avoiding people who are active triggers to 'relapse' for any serious length of time etc. Quitting anything addictive takes serious effort and willpower, as you've acknowledged.

Perhaps if its meant to be you leaving might be the trigger for them to quit once and for all, if it isn't then it's the right decision for you both anyway?

I wouldn't date a smoker even if they were Brad Pitt and the nicest guy in the world - have bad asthma and even passive smoke catches in my lungs and irritates them. Hate it.

WorraLiberty · 10/05/2020 16:18

Wtf have you started dating a smoker if you hate smoking so much? Bit like starting dating a fat person and then going on and on about them about their weight.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Imagine dating a fat person who tells you they're on a diet but they can't stick to that diet, so you start putting pressure on them and dishing out ultimatums.

It just wouldn't work.

Inthepurplerain · 10/05/2020 16:18

You actually sound really controlling...
I hope he realises this and ends it with you.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 10/05/2020 16:19

If he genuinely wants to give up, he will.
If he hopes that you'll just stop nagging him about it and get used to it, then end the relationship.

When I started seeing DH, he was a social smoke - I hated it, he stopped (not just because of me, he wanted to anyway, but I was the catalyst).
My sister's partner also smokes. She hates it. He says he's stopped but he hasn't - he smokes while he's working, or out in the car, but she knows. He'd probably like to stop but he "can't" (because he doesn't really want to). He also doesn't like to be nagged about it. She has to put up with it, or ditch him (it's come close to that a few times but they have 3 kids so never actually done it)

You have to decide if you can live with him never actually giving up - because that may be what will happen, if he's whinging and whining about being nagged etc. now. If you can't, then bin him off.

HazelBite · 10/05/2020 16:24

DH was a smoker when I met him, he smoked, gave up, smoked, for 15 odd years until he decided to give up of his own volition. He didn't tell me he was giving up and I couldn't understand the bad temper, the sweating, etc.
IF this is the only thing "wrong" with him give him a break, otherwise he will be sneaking about like a naughty child, fibbing, etc.
The way things are at the moment it is not a good time to give up what probably keeps him sane atm.
Don't nag him or try and control his behaviour, if you love him you should do so warts and all

Yeahnahmum · 10/05/2020 16:27

He is the most honest men you had ever met? Uhm no. He is a liar. And he will continue to do so. And you know it. He made a choice. And he chose cigarettes over you :(

carolinasm · 10/05/2020 16:28

When my mom quit smoking, it was because her doctor told her he could not feel her pulse on her lower limbs. After that doctor's appointment, she got a bag of candies. So whenever she felt like smoking, she would have a candy. Started to walk 30 minutes a day and never had a smoke again. She had been a heavy smoker for 30 years. She needed the excuse. A person has to decide that they want to quit. Different methods work for different people.

Tistheseason17 · 10/05/2020 16:29

Ditch him. Do9nt wait, he wants to smoke more than he wants to be with you.

Crinkle77 · 10/05/2020 16:29

Why are you posting about this again @HowdyBubble?

merryhouse · 10/05/2020 16:30

Not rtft.

He sounds incredibly tedious.

Just tell him you're not enjoying the relationship and you don't want it to continue.