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AIBU to feel deceived and struggle to forgive DP for his lie?

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HowdyBubble · 10/05/2020 14:50

Long story short - been with DP just over a year. Don't live together but moved in together briefly for lockdown. When we met, he told me he is a smoker but in the process of giving up (that he'd been trying for ages) and was even chewing nicotine gum when he turned up for our first date.

He's usually fine on the nicotine gum and almost never has tobacco in the house and only slips up if he visits his friends' house (who is a heavy smoker). I found it difficult that he'd always give into temptation if someone smoked around him and alluded to the fact that I don't see myself dating a smoker long term - he took this as an ultimatum (which I guess it was) and got upset but also more determined to try and quit fully.

He told me he would try the stop smoking seminar that is supposed to be really good but obviously, I know we can't right now as everything is shut due to covid.

Unfortunately, me moving was only a couple of weeks after I said the "ultimatum" and I guess he was a bit stung by it. I told him even on the first date that I can't stand smokers (for so many reasons including their health, my health and the grossness factor of it). He weaned himself off the nicotine gum and was doing well for a few days which I was really pleased about. Yet, he'd use the more absurd reasons to justify going to his smoker friend's house and then drink followed by smoke, slip up and then go into extreme self pity, apologizing and saying he's ashamed of himself. Every time this happened, he would always promise that despite him slipping up, he would always be honest about it and never lie to me and in return he just asks for my patience on the journey to quitting smoking. I understood and agreed. When he slips up, he is very receptive to "feedback" and I suggested maybe he should avoid going to see that particular heavily smoking friend whilst he's trying to get rid of this addiction as being in that environment is making quitting much harder. He agreed yet would want to go over again a few days later.

The last time he went over, he made no mention he slipped up when he came back but said he was going to try a different method of quitting from now on. I could smell the cigarettes on him and the next day when he was being moody and blaming me for something, I suggested it might be nicotine withdrawal that's making him feel irritated - he got angry and told me it wouldn't be because he smoked yesterday. He said it so proudly and spitefully, it shocked me. He said I wanted him to fail, etc.

After that, I just went home and he said since then it's been much easier to generally abstain from smoking most of the time as he didn't feel the pressure of being watched/nagged. A lot of the nagging he feels wasn't directly me nagging but even if I recoil because of the smell, etc. he thinks I'm nagging. I know the golden rule of quitting is that the person needs to want to quit THEMSELVES. I've said maybe he subconsciously doesn't want to quit and is only doing it for me. He strongly denies this and said he really wants to quit (a lot of his family members have died of smoking related illnesses and he wouldn't even date a smoker himself as he finds the smell off-putting on others and has really really wanted to quit himself way before he even met me.

Since, he has apologised loads about making me feel bad about it and sorry for being somewhat deceptive but I still feel a bit hurt. In a lot of ways the relationship is amazing but I don't know if I'm being over-sensitive in finding the one time deceptiveness really hurtful or if I am overreacting? I know addiction is hard and I don't feel angry at his slip-ups along the way to quitting but I do feel angry being lied to when he gave me his word he'd always be honest about it (it's only because he gave me that promise that I feel so bad I guess). He is like the most honest person I have ever met - almost frightfully honest about everything and anything so this has shaken me a little I guess. Even this, he confessed the day after angrily so it wasn't full deceptiveness either but still hurts.

Am I being unreasonable in struggle to forgive this one lie? or would you feel the same?

OP posts:
FizzyGreenWater · 10/05/2020 19:36

Oops too soon.

I'm sure you are just getting sick of this now - I would be.

MulticolourMophead · 10/05/2020 19:38

In fact, it was shock to him when I mentioned it that it would be a potential deal breaker - he always thought it's something I didn't like but that I would put up with.

OP, this tells me he's not going to stop. He thought you would put up with it, so has no incentive to stop.

If this is the dealbreaker you are saying it is, then dump him and find a non smoker.

Tappering · 10/05/2020 19:41

I guess part of the reason I feel bad about it is because like a PP said, it feels like a personal betrayal, as I always thought if someone truly loves someone, they'd even take a bullet for the time. I know that's not every day love and sounds movie-esque but I've heard of people who've put their life on the line for the ones they love.

You need to take a step back and think about how ludicrous and overblown this statement is. If you give even a hint of this kind of expectation when you speak with him about it, then I'm not surprised that he is going behind your back and lying. He must feel like he is being emotionally blackmailed.

Addiction is not the same as being 'brave'. How would you feel if someone turned it round on you and said that you clearly don't love him, if you are manipulating him with this kind of talk and cannot accept him the way he is?

Back off. Your expectations of him and his behaviour sound so ridiculous that I wonder whether he's deliberately going behind your back just to try and get down from the pedestal where you want him to stand.

freeingNora · 10/05/2020 19:41

Sounds like you're in a relationship with my stbxh good luck with that

Either you like him or you don't stop trying to change him

xaphan77 · 10/05/2020 19:42

he has had family members die from smoking related illnesses and that wasn't enough for him to quit. He's not going to quit.

Tappering · 10/05/2020 19:42

And TBH you both sound fundamentally opposed - so dump him and find someone else.

JulesM73 · 10/05/2020 19:42

Why are you repeating the same post from before OP? This was a thread a few weeks ago, and to be honest it was dull then!

Feedingthebirds1 · 10/05/2020 19:44

it's so easy to dish out advice like "leave him" when you're not emotionally invested in it yourself.

It's also easy to say to someone stop or it's over, or to say if you loved me enough you'd stop.

But that isn't how it works when you're addicted. Most studies say that smokers make between five and seven attempts to quit before they actually do, and [https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/6/e011045 this study]] from the BMJ (so it should be reliable) suggests that it's probably many more in reality. And I completely agree with a PP - knowing that you should give up, even wanting to give up at an objective level, isn't the same as actually doing it. your interpretation is that he doesn't mean it. Maybe he does but he hasn't got there yet.

This is on you OP. You have a stark choice. You leave him, or you stay with him, accept that he's trying, and get off his back. You can't have it both ways.

Feedingthebirds1 · 10/05/2020 19:46

Ooops!

this study

rosecreakybex · 10/05/2020 19:47

God just let him smoke.

Karwomannghia · 10/05/2020 19:47

Don’t believe he’ll give up one day. Loads of people never manage to fully kick the habit. Either accept that or move on.

ABlackRussian · 10/05/2020 19:50

Don't try changing him, just dump him. You said you couldn't go out with a smoker, and he smoked. There are plenty of non-smokers around who are single...

Karwomannghia · 10/05/2020 19:53

Oh and forget the idea of taking bullets and so on. We all look out for ourselves first. That’s great what both of you are doing. He’s not asking you to change or take his smoking bullet, he’s getting pissed off with you wanting him to change.

OutOfHours · 10/05/2020 20:32

I didn't quit for anyone but myself (and my health for my dc)

I attempted it in 2017, after a family illness, but it was a non starter, this time is different, I wanted it.

After struggling to catch a breath for 3 weeks with potentially covid, why kill my lungs willingly when people out there are dying through a virus, I am only day 7 of quitting though, but I havent wanted to light up since day 1.

So no, im sorry, but addiction doesn't work like that, if it did, it would be a lot easier for a lot of addictions.

Sally872 · 10/05/2020 21:10

You can't control his actions and shouldn't try to. He knows the risks to his health and that you may not be able to live with it in a partner.

Your only decision is can you accept he smokes and may never change? If you can great, support him to stop but stop insisting on it.

To me splitting up with an otherwise ideal partner because you worry you will lose him due to smoking is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

hauntedvagina · 10/05/2020 21:18

He's smoking, not exactly hiding a crack habit. You started dating him knowing he was a smoker and chose to over look it. You're nagging him constantly, no wonder he's being secretive.

If you have such an issue with smoking, leave him. If you're bothered by petty lies don't back him into a corner.

PicklePig31 · 10/05/2020 21:42

@HowdyBubble

I smoked 5 a day but a lot more when, like your dp, socially and whilst drinking.

I managed to quit overnight. But I really wanted to do it. I loved smoking before so I might cut down (to 1-2 a day) but I really enjoyed having a cigarette (funny as now it repluses me!)

I didn’t use gum or anything. I literally woke up and said ‘no more, I’m done’ and haven’t had one since - 2.5 years ago!

My DP never put any pressure on me, if he had, I would have definitely not quit. He has to want to quit. Regardless of you (and I understand how you must feel) and your feelings. It’s on him to WANT to quit.

I think if this is a dealbreaker, you have to break it off. For context, I’m not sure I could be with a smoker now as since I quit, it repulses me too. Even walking past people smoking makes me recoil. How times change!

Yellowsubmarinedreams · 10/05/2020 22:15

What the first response said. But ultimately you don't want to date a smoker. He is telling you what you want to hear to stop the nagging. Should it be this hard work already? No.

ConnieDoodle · 10/05/2020 22:22

Ffs op he is a smoker. If it is a deal breaker, then break the bloody deal! End it.

I would never date a smoker either.

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