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AIBU to feel deceived and struggle to forgive DP for his lie?

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HowdyBubble · 10/05/2020 14:50

Long story short - been with DP just over a year. Don't live together but moved in together briefly for lockdown. When we met, he told me he is a smoker but in the process of giving up (that he'd been trying for ages) and was even chewing nicotine gum when he turned up for our first date.

He's usually fine on the nicotine gum and almost never has tobacco in the house and only slips up if he visits his friends' house (who is a heavy smoker). I found it difficult that he'd always give into temptation if someone smoked around him and alluded to the fact that I don't see myself dating a smoker long term - he took this as an ultimatum (which I guess it was) and got upset but also more determined to try and quit fully.

He told me he would try the stop smoking seminar that is supposed to be really good but obviously, I know we can't right now as everything is shut due to covid.

Unfortunately, me moving was only a couple of weeks after I said the "ultimatum" and I guess he was a bit stung by it. I told him even on the first date that I can't stand smokers (for so many reasons including their health, my health and the grossness factor of it). He weaned himself off the nicotine gum and was doing well for a few days which I was really pleased about. Yet, he'd use the more absurd reasons to justify going to his smoker friend's house and then drink followed by smoke, slip up and then go into extreme self pity, apologizing and saying he's ashamed of himself. Every time this happened, he would always promise that despite him slipping up, he would always be honest about it and never lie to me and in return he just asks for my patience on the journey to quitting smoking. I understood and agreed. When he slips up, he is very receptive to "feedback" and I suggested maybe he should avoid going to see that particular heavily smoking friend whilst he's trying to get rid of this addiction as being in that environment is making quitting much harder. He agreed yet would want to go over again a few days later.

The last time he went over, he made no mention he slipped up when he came back but said he was going to try a different method of quitting from now on. I could smell the cigarettes on him and the next day when he was being moody and blaming me for something, I suggested it might be nicotine withdrawal that's making him feel irritated - he got angry and told me it wouldn't be because he smoked yesterday. He said it so proudly and spitefully, it shocked me. He said I wanted him to fail, etc.

After that, I just went home and he said since then it's been much easier to generally abstain from smoking most of the time as he didn't feel the pressure of being watched/nagged. A lot of the nagging he feels wasn't directly me nagging but even if I recoil because of the smell, etc. he thinks I'm nagging. I know the golden rule of quitting is that the person needs to want to quit THEMSELVES. I've said maybe he subconsciously doesn't want to quit and is only doing it for me. He strongly denies this and said he really wants to quit (a lot of his family members have died of smoking related illnesses and he wouldn't even date a smoker himself as he finds the smell off-putting on others and has really really wanted to quit himself way before he even met me.

Since, he has apologised loads about making me feel bad about it and sorry for being somewhat deceptive but I still feel a bit hurt. In a lot of ways the relationship is amazing but I don't know if I'm being over-sensitive in finding the one time deceptiveness really hurtful or if I am overreacting? I know addiction is hard and I don't feel angry at his slip-ups along the way to quitting but I do feel angry being lied to when he gave me his word he'd always be honest about it (it's only because he gave me that promise that I feel so bad I guess). He is like the most honest person I have ever met - almost frightfully honest about everything and anything so this has shaken me a little I guess. Even this, he confessed the day after angrily so it wasn't full deceptiveness either but still hurts.

Am I being unreasonable in struggle to forgive this one lie? or would you feel the same?

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OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 10/05/2020 18:17

Tbh he can just genuinely suffer with quitting. It's not as easy as to chew some gum. Some people never manage to even though they have that "Ha! I feel like now is the time" every month.

PicklePig31 · 10/05/2020 18:20

He wants to smoke. You don’t. So end it. Sounds exhausting.

The only time he may quit if he wants to. You putting pressure on him or speaking to him like he is a child won’t do that. So end it.

My dp is a non smoker like yourself. I quit within three months of meeting him, overnight. He never put any pressure on me but I knew he hated it and along with the health benefits of quitting, I knew I didn’t want to repulse him.

pictish · 10/05/2020 18:29

“ My DP even says he's never in his life dated a smoker as he finds the smell gross on other people and he doesn't want to be with someone who approves of the gross habit. “

What absolute bullshit. He’s full of it. He’ll say whatever it is he thinks you need to hear. Sorry to say I am laughing at that one. Grin

Anyway, as an occasional smoker who can’t quite kick it for good myself, I’d have no time for ‘feedback’ about it. But neither would I bullshit you like this.
He smokes, that’s it. Live with it or don’t.

HowdyBubble · 10/05/2020 18:29

@PicklePig31 The first full year of the relationship, I was grossed out about it on the days he did slip up but I never pressurised him at all and we'd been on holiday together for 3 weeks even and he managed the whole time without slipping up as he wasn't around that one friend in particular who is a heavy smoker. In fact, it was shock to him when I mentioned it that it would be a potential deal breaker - he always thought it's something I didn't like but that I would put up with.

Were you a heavy smoker before you gave up? What techniques did you use to give up?

In some ways he's done well like completely quitting the nicotine gum which he used to chew on all the time but even if I congratulate him on that, he doesn't take too kindly to it (guess it goes back to treating him like a child) but weirdly he gets angry if I don't pressure him about it too - that it means I don't care about him etc. Can you relate to ever feeling like that?

He does say, like you though, since I've moved back home, staying off it has been easier as he doesn't feel "watched" but no idea if that's just telling me what I want to hear or genuine.

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HowdyBubble · 10/05/2020 18:30

Is it just the case of he doesn't love me enough to quit, as in he might do for the right woman or really even if I was Angelina Jolie lol it would make no difference?

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HowdyBubble · 10/05/2020 18:31

especially interested to hear smokers' views on that above question ^ !

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Blueemeraldagain · 10/05/2020 18:32

With any addiction there is a huge chasm between wanting to quit and doing it. He is telling you want you want to hear and he may even mean some of it but as the old cliche goes actions speak louder than words. He’s also starting to put the blame/responsibility on you. He feels watched/nagged but gets angry if you don’t put pressure on him? Fuck that.

Tappering · 10/05/2020 18:32

All this endless talking about it, and flagellation when he slips, sounds exhausting. Your relationship seems to centre around him smoking or not-smoking. It sounds very tiring and quite dull TBH.

There is a huge difference between wanting to not be a smoker, and actively trying to quit. Smokers don't stop until they are truly ready - you wake up one morning and realise that this is the day and you really are committed to doing it. I used to smoke myself so have been through this.

Your partner is not truly ready to stop. He wants to stop, he knows he should stop, but his head isn't properly there yet. And the more you talk about it, give him 'feedback' and keep giving it attention - the more he will go to his friend's place and use it as an excuse to smoke.

He's lying because you sound like you won't let it go. And if it's a dealbreaker for you to not date a smoker then dump him.

Tappering · 10/05/2020 18:34

And in answer to your question - you could be Helen of Troy and it would make no difference. It's an addiction, and in order to overcome it you have to be in the right place mentally. And no amount of encouragement, tears, emotional blackmail or manipulation can force it.

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 10/05/2020 18:34

Is it just the case of he doesn't love me enough to quit, as in he might do for the right woman or really even if I was Angelina Jolie lol it would make no difference?

Are you being serious?Hmm
Gof

OmgThereAreNoPlanesAboveMeNow · 10/05/2020 18:36

Just stop with the drama and end it🤷🏻 He won't quit just because you want him too and you are not making his life easy as well by nagging

pictish · 10/05/2020 18:36

It’s not as black and white as loving you/not loving you enough. This isn’t the movies.
He’d probably be less stressed and more comfortable with a partner who doesn’t mind his occasional smoking and slip-ups. You’re incompatible.

user1635482648 · 10/05/2020 18:41

I can't believe you're wasting people's time with this.

VladmirsPoutine · 10/05/2020 18:42

Is there a reason you love revelling in drama?

AllForAnEasyLife · 10/05/2020 18:46

When my uncle met his wife she was a smoker. The same as you, she was trying to quit etc and he really disliked smokers.

She did well for a while but now 5 years down the line she is a very heavy smoker! 30 a day a least.

He gets on her case alot about it, its driven a wedge between them and she now has numerous smoking related health conditions.

Hes a smoker, you accept it or you find someone who is a non smoker.

Viviennemary · 10/05/2020 18:46

Nicotine is very adictive. If you dont want to be with a smoker then end the relationship. But don't look on his inability to give up as a personal insult to you. And as you are making such a big thing of it and see it as a betrayal that's why he's lying.

Idontwantthis · 10/05/2020 18:49

I didn’t realise my dh was a smoker on our first date. I’d known him years through work and never seen him smoke. He asked if it was a problem and I said yes, I wouldn’t date a smoker.
That was eight years ago.
He hasn’t smoked since.
I was worth it apparently Grin

CandlesBlanketsandTea · 10/05/2020 18:53

Break up if you don't want to date a smoker.

NearlyGranny · 10/05/2020 18:58

It's been a year or more. That's more than long enough to quit and stay quit if he wanted to. He doesn't want to.

Don't be patient any more and don't mention it to him again. If you love him and want to be with him despite the smoking, you have a relationship with a smoker. If you don't, end it. You've been patient long enough.

BumbleBeee69 · 10/05/2020 19:02

I could not be in a relationship with a Smoker OP..

LonginesPrime · 10/05/2020 19:03

Is it just the case of he doesn't love me enough to quit, as in he might do for the right woman or really even if I was Angelina Jolie lol it would make no difference

Why on earth does that matter? Are you a shapeshifter?

HowdyBubble · 10/05/2020 19:13

I guess part of the reason I feel bad about it is because like a PP said, it feels like a personal betrayal, as I always thought if someone truly loves someone, they'd even take a bullet for the time. I know that's not every day love and sounds movie-esque but I've heard of people who've put their life on the line for the ones they love. Which is why I guess it hurts that he can't get rid of this one thing that will cause him nothing but bad things. Given the choice between a £100,000 gift and him quitting forever, I'd always choose the latter.

I know I sound like some silly teenager but honestly, it's so easy to dish out advice like "leave him" when you're not emotionally invested in it yourself. I've done the same to others but much harder to be in the situation and just leave (I guess that's ironically similar to quitting smoking).

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Purpleartichoke · 10/05/2020 19:26

Just end it. Do you really want a lifetime of this? Do you want to have to close your windows to keep out his smoke? Do you want your house to always smell bad because it clings to him even if he smokes outside? Do you want someone who will expose an infant to third-hand smoke? Do you want your children growing up thinking smoking is ok?

BackseatCookers · 10/05/2020 19:26

It really, really shouldn't be this hard.

It's not just about the smoking per se.

It's about one partner saying something is a dealbreaker but then not following through.

You know he hasn't quit completely and you know that he slips.

So if it's a dealbreaker then you should be prepared to end it.

Or, if you now feel so deeply for him that it isn't a dealbreaker that's fine, stay with him.

But you can't keep berating him for doing something that means you won't want to be with him when in actual fact it hasn't meant that - you do still want to be with him.

So what's his motive to really, truly quit? You aren't going to break up with him over it.

Balls in your court.

FizzyGreenWater · 10/05/2020 19:35

You need to end it.

He's a smoker - but more to the point he's just a bit of a headfuck, too. As you say yourself, if he'd been honest with himself you, you probably wouldn't be at this point because you would have been given the info you needed to make a judgement - which is that he's a smoker.

But no. He wants to be a person who has quit, so he makes a huge song and dance about being that person, but then looks for excuses to be with the person who 'leads him astray' (subtext: it's not really my fault). Headfuck. Then if you mention it you're pressurising him. Then if you don't mention it you don't care. Oh and the nagging word. Well, fuck yes, actually. You've made it clear it's something you feel really strongly about and actually, of COURSE timeframes matter because you don't want to waste your time and get more invested if it's going to just end up leaving you fucked. But no - that's unfair too - you have to be 'patient'. Hang on, at the beginning of all this a year ago, you were presented with a non-smoker on the gum who couldn't shut up about how disgusting he found it and he too could never date a smoker? Hang on, let me see if I can still see those goalposts...

Just end it. This won't change. This is about smoking but it could be about anything. He is one of those people who are all hot air and fuss but when it comes down to it, turn on a sixpence to being full of excuses and, the one thing you should never put up with - blaming you.

Call it a day before you get more involved.

I'm sure you are