Oxfordshire tŕansgender toolkit win

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AIBU to say Congratulations to the 13 year old girl who has won her test case against Oxfordshire council. A brave young woman who did what a lot if adults are afraid to do

@TwelfthOfNever Who made you the Lord of AIBU? MN move posts and delete if not appropriate and women need to stop policing each others speech.

This is brilliant news, what a remarkable and brave young woman to stand up to the ludicrous "woke" agenda. Well done that girl and thank you?

Yes I thought they'd probably withdrawn because they were told they'd lose bovary. My concern, having not followed the case that closely, is that although obviously the withdrawal of the Toolkit is great, might there have been some advantage to further scrunity of this approach by the courts? There might need to be JRs of other LAs using similar.

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Idk why you felt the need to name change. There is no hate on this thread. Hate speech on this issue can be reported. My experience on mumsnet is that most people are very sympathetic. We are talking about children regardless of their sex or identity.

Another solution needs to be sought, which doesn’t infringe on the rights of the majority. Girls have been told to expect boys identifying as girls in their spaces and to be kind. I really don’t see why boys can’t be told these boys identifying as girls have as much right to use the boys facilities as they and to be kind. It is societal interpretation for these trans kids to be seen as and it is this, which needs to be challenged rather than girl’s dignity, boundaries and privacy.

This is brilliant news, well done to that brave girl.

All parents should be aware of their school's policy on this, as it's been brought into many schools by stealth. How many parents of daughters are unaware that their daughters could be sharing accommodation on school trips/guides etc. with biological teenage boys? And they have no right to know, or to even ask, because the teenage boy has more protection of (identity) privacy than all of the girls to bodily privacy.

Very brave girl. And a fantastic result.

YANBU. I just read the story and immediately came on here knowing there would be a thread! Fantastic news and a great day for women and girls. I hope it leads to many many more decisions which protect us and put the rights of women and girls to safety first .

My concern, having not followed the case that closely, is that although obviously the withdrawal of the Toolkit is great, might there have been some advantage to further scrunity of this approach by the courts? There might need to be JRs of other LAs using similar

That's an interesting point pubs I wonder how much lobbying is going on to get the Equality Act amended?

Stonewall have been lobbying to remove the single sex exemption from the Act. This means there would be no legal basis for women-only changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards etc.

This is not a benign organisation now. The more people who know about Stonewall’s betrayal the better.

Stonewall have been lobbying to remove the single sex exemption from the Act. This means there would be no legal basis for women-only changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards etc

One of the striking things about this is how successful an aggressive lobby can be at implementing policies which have no public support. Forcing 13 year old girls to share toilets with natal boys in schools is quite an extreme position.

It is. And I wonder if Oxfordshire CC were leaned on to withdraw for that reason? It's one thing dressing it up in fluffy comments about inclusivity, but when the nuts and bolts of this policy are actually laid out for all to see, a lot of people aren't going to like it.

Just googled and it’s clear she didn’t win the test case - the council backed down before it was heard. Very misleading to suggest otherwise. www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18434781.oxfordshire-council-transgender-guide-scrapped-girls-court-case/

The kit is out of all schools in that area. That is a win.

without giving them a place to belong. Just like women were in the past.

You mean places like toilets, women’s shelters, changing rooms, women’s support groups, rape crisis centres, places like working environments and political parties, that were specifically for females? Those kinds of places. Yes, thank goodness, women have those places where they feel they belong, without being pushed out by men. 🙄.

Oh I forgot to mention toilets in schools that are designed for females to feel that they can maintain dignity, respect and privacy from males.

The fucking irony of coming out with that statement and then telling women that they’re only permitted to discuss what you find acceptable or off they must trot to FWR.

No, one side withdrawing or a favourable settlement being reached is not the same as winning a court case. I’m a lawyer and the phrase is just never used to mean this. I agree that it is a positive outcome for the girl, and the girl may see it as a win, but if you say that someone has won a court case it means that the court has given judgment in their favour. That’s not the case here. I don’t think someone with a throwaway username posting fake news about this case does this girl’s cause any favours.

Keep it in feminism.

No thanks. We’ll post wherever we want

It’s a bit of a deliberate snake move standing down before a judicial review. It avoids a formal decision on the toolkit and allows similar ones to hang around in their unable to stand up to legal judgement but in use state.

Similar toolkits are going to have to taken to the same point to make an impact, they are probably hoping this doesn’t happen.

Just googled and it’s clear she didn’t win the test case - the council backed down before it was heard. Very misleading to suggest otherwise.

That’s true. The cowards backed because they knew they would, without any doubt, lose.

Yeah maybe they withdrew because they thought they were likely to lose. That doesn’t change the fact that it is false to say (as the op does) that she won her test case.

That thought occurred to me too 2ndstar.

Fantastic news and let’s hope this is the beginning of the end for this return of plain good ol’ fashioned sexist bullshit. No, boys’ feelings do not matter more than girls’. Nor should this attack on girls and women be swept under the carpet.

It’s a bit of a deliberate snake move standing down before a judicial review. It avoids a formal decision on the toolkit and allows similar ones to hang around in their unable to stand up to legal judgement but in use state

That's an interesting point. So a tactical withdrawal to protect the current status quo even though it is; as the girl's lawyer described; legally indefensible

Am pleased but saddened its come to this

It's a small win for the dignity and rights of girls. The wy I see it the most benign interpretation of Oxfordshire councils actions here is that they were so determined to be inclusive that they completely failed to include one half of the population. Not great. Not acceptable. Women and girls rights are not optional.

As for boys who has suffering with either their sexuality or gender identity and who feel threatened by being with the boys, another option needs to be found. Perhaps gender neutral facilities? Whilst of course not reducing the existing provisions available of course.

I have every sympathy for these boys, but the solution for boys who don't fit in with the the other boys is not to go in with th e girls.

Women and girls spaces are for women and girls to use. They are not a refuge for gay or effeminate boys and boys with mental health issues. If there is a problem with bullying in the boys, deal with the male violence, don't ask the girls to sacrifice their spaces because the boys can't expand their own perception of what is a boy or man.

I hope this is just the beginning of rolling this back. Councils and LEAs have introduced a policy that is against the law and it's been so unfair for our girls.

The fucking irony of coming out with that statement and then telling women that they’re only permitted to discuss what you find acceptable or off they must trot to FWR.

I am with you here. Real transphobia is horrible and ugly, and I'd defend and support to the hilt anyone I saw on the receiving end (and have done so in the past).

A discussion about what happens when trans rights conflict with women's rights - and yes, there is a difference - is not 'transphobia'. That's just an effective way of shutting down a debate that happens to be inconvenient to some people's ears.

There is a real safeguarding issue at stake here which is not about hating all men and not wanting them in our changing spaces. We know NAMALT. But the issue is still that the overwhelming majority of violent or sexual offenders are male - the statistics clearly bear this out - and sadly it isn't possible to tell who the threatening ones are simply by looking at them.

Many, many trans people simply want to get on with their lives in peace, and are not clamouring to stampede over the rights and definitions of women, who are the vulnerable group. The vocal activism is doing those people no favours.

I'm not a cervix-haver or a gestator. 'Woman' and 'mother' are not dirty words yet are now increasingly being treated as though they are taboo and offensive. It's an unpleasant precedent and language does matter. I see no similar injunctions applied to definitions of men.

OP, thank you for posting.