Oxfordshire tŕansgender toolkit win

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AIBU to say Congratulations to the 13 year old girl who has won her test case against Oxfordshire council. A brave young woman who did what a lot if adults are afraid to do

If a 13 year old girl knows about this and is concerned enough to go to court then you would think most readers on a parenting website would want to know.

It’s appalling what has been sneaking into our schools under cover of wokeness and diversity. It’s effectively an assault on girls’ privacy, safety and right to their own boundaries. Why wouldn’t other MN users want to know about this ?

You don’t have to be a feminist to think it’s a pretty shocking state of an affairs that a Council - with safeguarding responsibilities and in house lawyers who could look up the legally mandated protections women and girls are already entitled to - could think it was ok to drive a horse and cart through girls’ legal right to single sex toilets, changing rooms and dormitories.

ANYTHING which takes boundaries and safeguarding away from young kids and girls to cater to a few is very fucking wrong though.

You are right about safeguarding but not about the few. Do they not count? People in wheelchairs are few do they not count? People with sight loss are few do they not count? Since when do we live in a society where the few don't count? Just because they don't fit a norm?

Here is a quote from the Times. It's interesting that a lobby group is forcing schools to adopt policies which have no basis in the law

^Her lawyer, Paul Conrathe, from Sinclairslaw, said: “[The document] plainly misrepresented the law by assuming that an array of gender identities had protection under the Equality Act. They do not.
“The toolkit advised that biological boys could access girls’ toilets, changing rooms and dormitories on residential trips. Rather than protect and promote the welfare of children, it exposed girls, in particular, to a greater risk of harm. The High Court has already considered the toolkit and ruled that it is arguable that it is unlawful. Oxfordshire safeguarding board have done the right thing in withdrawing it. It was plainly legally indefensible^

I disagree that this should be in feminism. I’m interested in feminism, but I don’t go onto the FWR board, because I feel they should probably a women-only space. I’ve learnt a lot about feminism and related issues from AIBU and Chat, and I’ve had my thinking challenged on more than one occasion. I don’t see why threads like this should be ‘kept’ there.

This is empirically not the case lockdown, as there are oodles of posts on here about trans issues that do not 'shout about how wrong it is and how all men and teenage boys are potential rapists and abusers'. But even if that were not the case, given that this case relates to safeguarding and thus unquestionably has ramifications beyond solely those of feminism, it's legitimate to post about it on AIBU.

They have not had anything taken away from them. They can use all the facilities relating to their sex, as they always could.

this is Mumsnet. The trans issue affects parents everywhere, so all parents need to be aware of it.

Sorry that was to lockdown.

Since when do we live in a society where the few don't count?

Since when did we live in a society where 13 year old girls are denied the right to sex segregated toilets? Why does their legitimate desire for privacy count for nothing?

I don’t see any hate on here. Bemusement, yes and anger at a unilateral removal of the rights protecting women and girls. But no one hates transkids.

Can you show me it?

Protecting girls and women is a hood thing.

You are right about safeguarding but not about the few. Do they not count?

Of course they count. They can use their own sex-based facilities, as was ever the case. Nothing has changed.

So a solution which doesn't dismantle safeguarding and protections needs to be found to cater for the few. Absolutely they do count but the needs of a trans child don't trump that of other kids.

You are right about safeguarding but not about the few. Do they not count? People in wheelchairs are few do they not count? People with sight loss are few do they not count? Since when do we live in a society where the few don't count? Just because they don't fit a norm?

That's such a straw man argument they're using it for the next remake of The Wicker Man.

Link to statement by Safe Schools Alliance:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/05/08/oxfordshire-guidance-withdrawn-for-review/

Oxfordshire statement on their decision

schools.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/schoolsnews/withdrawal-trans-inclusion-toolkit?fbclid=IwAR0KRJ1lsCwy3oZttXwn4JYYEeP5a62m895YSj_lzUIk2ww5tO_m3Or2e58

OP I think having had a quick scan of this, Oxfordshire CC withdrew the Trans Inclusion Toolkit and backed out of the judicial review before the case was resolved, rather than the teenager winning in court.

"Lockdown", I understand what you're saying, I don't like to think anyone begrudges any minority from being legally protected but this girl must have felt very strongly to go to these lengths.

"Keep it in feminism" lol, you've got no chance, mate!

So relieved to hear this. Fantastic day for women and girls, feminist or not.

Also what we are always talking about here is the rights of MTF. Nobody ever thought a 13 yo girl who was presenting as a boy should be in the boys’ dorm. Not safe. This has always been about what TRAs want for males.

I'm not sure that the practical requirements of a child in a wheelchair is a right comparison either. There's no identifying out of disability.

That's such a straw man argument they're using it for the next remake of The Wicker Man

Summer is a comin' in @iklboo MRAs sing cuckoo

Basically the toolkit did not take into account all of the children that would be potentially affected by it and misrepresented the law. This is a wider issue than feminism. This is institution failure.

Safe Schools Alliance are concerned that the Oxfordshire toolkit or similar variants are still in use in other LAs. Does anyone know which?

Funnily enough people with disabilities are protected under the Equality Act. Same act that protects single sex spaces. Isn’t it good to know this legislation is in place to ensure the needs of disabled people, people with sight loss and the needs of women and girls are protected

Oxfordshire CC withdrew the Trans Inclusion Toolkit and backed out of the judicial review before the case was resolved, rather than the teenager winning in court

As the girl's lawyer states, that is because it had no basis in the Equality Act and hence was legally indefensible

^[The document] plainly misrepresented the law by assuming that an array of gender identities had protection under the Equality Act. They do not.
“The toolkit advised that biological boys could access girls’ toilets, changing rooms and dormitories on residential trips. Rather than protect and promote the welfare of children, it exposed girls, in particular, to a greater risk of harm. The High Court has already considered the toolkit and ruled that it is arguable that it is unlawful. Oxfordshire safeguarding board have done the right thing in withdrawing it. It was plainly legally indefensible^

This is great news. Single sex toilets and changing rooms are a fundamental right for girls in school for myriad safeguarding reasons. Wanting to support gender non-conforming children is not sufficient reason for abandoning basic safeguarding.