People who aren’t quite getting it...

[MadameBee]

I wouldn’t comment IRL and am not part of the Stasi post on FB with “reported to police” written in capitals which I am quietly finding quite amusing.

But a few people are posting are posting stuff on SM with “and before you judge me XYZ”

Friend who posted last weekend “having a bonfire this afternoon so just letting all my neighbours on here no so you can shut your windows” erm - you aren’t supposed to be having bonfires because of the risk of added pressure on the emergency services if something goes wrong, everyone is cooped up inside and it’s foul and some of those people might be shielding because of impaired lung capacity.

Photos of children on a bouncy castle in the back yard, “before you judge me there was no contact and the guy cleaned it all” yes but the point is it’s not exactly an essential fucking journey is it?!

And the people moaning about traffic on the roads - erm you were there too but your reason is “justified” because you are a key worker? “The park/beach was so crowded” so I came home - BUT YOU WERE THERE TOO!!!!

I think a lot of people don’t feel safe going out anyway because people aren’t practising social distancing and grown adults seem to have suddenly lost the ability to cycle on the road.

@IvinghoeBeacon I can’t avoid noticing - it’s flats with a communal car park and these people park outside my living room window so it’s pretty noticeable that they’re in and out or gone for hours on end (I know they’re not working)

Maybe they are volunteering?

But all that’s allowed in the legislation and guidelines @Ethelfleda. It’s only against your rules, not the real ones

I thought the rules were to stay at home unless you’re exercising, shopping for essentials, going to work where you can’t wfh etc? Where did it say that you could leave your house to visit your relatives and friends as long as you stay 2m away from them?? did I miss that one?

So it isn’t only essential trips out of your home that are allowed? I wish someone had told me this 6 weeks ago

It baffles me that anyone shares current socialising on social media.

I can't understand anything else OP says, seems to keep contradicting herself.

Do you not think though, regardless of the finite details of the legislation, that if you don’t need to be out you have a moral responsibility to stay in?

I don't think so. I think I have a responsibility to my children to ensure that my mental health doesn't deteriorate even further. And so I have been out every day since lockdown started, and will continue to do so.

So it isn’t only essential trips out of your home that are allowed?

You’re allowed to exercise, there’s nothing to stop you delivering something and having a chat while you’re out.

So it isn’t only essential trips out of your home that are allowed?

No, any trip that falls under one of the headings in s6 is perfectly lawful.

You can drive to exercise, spend all day exercising if you wish, go to work if it can't be done from home (whatever the job).

So it isn’t only essential trips out of your home that are allowed?

The laws, in England at least, set no limit on the number of times you could leave your house. If you had read the legislation 6 weeks ago then you would have known that and not spent the whole time at home if you didn't want to.

It is up to you to inform yourself.

Michael Gove confused matters when he suggested going out once a day for exercise and suggested that it could be an hour's walk. The legislation did not specify that though and still doesn't, except in Wales I believe. I am not in Wales.

If you look on your local fire service website I am pretty sure you will see some friendly advice re bonfires atm I just looked and found nothing. I think you are over focusing on other people and their behaviours - maybe take some time to do something nice for yourself instead.

That's why we have the highest death rates in Europe. Selfish Covidiots. And that's why this virus will stick around and keep killing lots of people We have a pretty incompetent Gov who have made several massive fuckup so far which hasn't helped at all...hopefully they will prove to be fast (er) learners!

Erm, the essential journeys only message isn't one that's been pushed for a while, surely you've noticed that loads of businesses and work places have returned lately? Ice cream man has been visiting our street daily this week.

There is no pressure on the NHS, nobody is going to A&E, it's been mentioned quite frequently. As long as you social distance I don't see what you're doing wrong tbh.

My local traffic police tweet examples every day of people they've stopped who were on what they've decreed a non-essential journey. They're fining people for regulation breaches of the type many people on this thread think the OP has dreamed up for her own frothing opportunity

Are they actually fining though?

Someone I know is a police officer specifically on the "covid team" and they've not issued a single fine (yet). They just move people along if they're sitting in the park / on the beach drinking alcohol or smoking weed. It's mostly teenagers who I can't really get too excited about.

Their aim is to engage not fine people. It's literally "we're going to walk away and come back in ten minutes so please don't be here by the time we get back".

Reasonable.

If the person / group refuses then they will fine.

The largest amount of deaths in Europe is quite bad, no matter how you compare the figures..No?

It's becoming increasingly apparent that we have the highest death rates in Europe because we have the highest rats of obesity.

Honestly THIS.

I think this is what is pissing me off most about this whole thing. Putting aside ALL the other issues surrounding non-covid health, economy, education etc.

There are clear signs that obesity and lack of Vit D are increasingly weighing on your outcome.

So lets keep everyone "sitting on their sofas watching netflix" instead of outside exercising and soaking up Vit D, and lets act like anyone needing the shops more than once a week for FRESH food are murderers .

if everyone accepts the rules apply to all of us then we can all get on with our lives a lot sooner

This, in spades. I can't wait to see DM and go back to the pub. I'd do it tomorrow if it was permitted. As it stands, it's just dragging on and on.

Fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.

Government modelled, government locked down with a review every three weeks. Nobody, not one person suggested the lockdown was only going to last 3 weeks. In fact, when they were first deciding whether to do it, the chat was they had to ensure the timing was right, not doing it too early because people would accept a lockdown of three months but if they had to do a second period after that, it would be unsuccessful. It was put in to chunks of three weeks to give the opportunity to update and reinforce.

The numbers are coming down along pretty much the exact curve they predicted at the start of the lockdown.

We were never going to reopen this week and OP’s neighbour hiring a bouncy castle hasn’t been the reason we still can’t see our families.

The largest amount of deaths in Europe is quite bad, no matter how you compare the figures..No?

No. Overall Nr of deaths is a poor comparator. As an extreme example, If you had a nation of only 50,000 people, and their number was 25,000 deaths, that’s half their population gone. Compare that with a population of 250,000,000 having 25,000 deaths, that’s less than 1% of their population. Which nation would you say is harder hit? It stands to reason a country with more people will have more deaths.

But those comparisons are a blunt tool anyway because it also depends on density, on culture, on how robust the healthcare system is, on how accurately numbers are gathered.

As I said elsewhere, we never had to choose who to save. In that respect we have done better than was feared at the start.

So judgemental.
Is the world expected to stay lockdowned until a vaccine is found?
The idea was that we lockdowned to stop so much pressure on the NHS. Now most hospitals seem to be coping very well - many are quieter than ever as patients have been terrorized into not attending - yet lockdown bedwetters want us to remain at home indefinitely.

Nikedelaswoosh
Still nowhere is ‘visiting relatives’ on the list of essential reasons to leave the house.
And all others arguing this point - seriously? If you’re going to break the rules then just fucking do it. But don’t try and excuse yourself by arguing over semantics. The overwhelming message has been to stay home apart from essential journeys. If I went to go visit my mom (over 70, smoker, has COPD) irrespective of if I stand two meters away from her or not, it’s not essential. Nowhere did they say ‘carry on as normal but stay 2m away from everyone’
And businesses have opened lately that have been legally allowed to do so - hardware stores, take aways. The rules have not changed since they were announced over 6 weeks ago.

I am in France and we find your government's attitude very odd and your situation very worrying. I am not sure that simply the rate of obesity in the United Kindom is the reason for your high death rate, the Germans have a higher rate of obesity than we do in France and their death rate is much lower than ours.

The idea was that we lockdowned to stop so much pressure on the NHS. Now most hospitals seem to be coping very well - many are quieter than ever as patients have been terrorized into not attending - yet lockdown bedwetters want us to remain at home indefinitely

Trust me, I do not want to remain in lockdown. I fucking hate it. I wonder how disproportionate it was to be honest... BUT I also know my own limitations. Which many don’t.
The reasons for lockdown have not changed. You’re essentially saying that everyone has the right to decide if they think the NHS is quiet enough for them to wonder about as normal again. It isn’t up to the individual to decide whether or not lockdown is lifted. It’s up to the government to decide this. And while they are certainly not infallible, I certainly would sooner follow guidance based on scientific advisors than follow the guidance of some of you lot who seem to have decided you know better!

Still nowhere is ‘visiting relatives’ on the list of essential reasons to leave the house.
Actualy it is if they require support in some way: mentally, physiclly, pregnancy related, age related, health condition related.

I’m honestly not a health anxiety sufferer. I am not one of those frothing at the mouth. I’m passed caring at this stage because I feel so bloody dejected.
But I honestly worry, as so many people seem to have completely misinterpreted a pretty simple message... how the hell are they going to interpret the next stages?? I wouldn’t be surprised that when Boris announces the ‘road map’ on Sunday with ‘some measures in place from Monday’ that the aforementioned measures are things most people are already doing anyway.
Which would just means that they shouldn’t have been doing them the past 6 weeks.

Actualy it is if they require support in some way: mentally, physiclly, pregnancy related, age related, health condition related

What’s your point? The people I know are visiting relatives for the craic and not to provide any kind of help to people shielding etc.
And please don’t come back with the insistence that you must know better than I do why these people are visiting relatives. They aren’t doing it for any of those reasons.

Like I say - crack on. I don’t care. But don’t try twisting it to make out that it is allowed when we know it isn’t.