People who aren’t quite getting it...

[MadameBee]

I wouldn’t comment IRL and am not part of the Stasi post on FB with “reported to police” written in capitals which I am quietly finding quite amusing.

But a few people are posting are posting stuff on SM with “and before you judge me XYZ”

Friend who posted last weekend “having a bonfire this afternoon so just letting all my neighbours on here no so you can shut your windows” erm - you aren’t supposed to be having bonfires because of the risk of added pressure on the emergency services if something goes wrong, everyone is cooped up inside and it’s foul and some of those people might be shielding because of impaired lung capacity.

Photos of children on a bouncy castle in the back yard, “before you judge me there was no contact and the guy cleaned it all” yes but the point is it’s not exactly an essential fucking journey is it?!

And the people moaning about traffic on the roads - erm you were there too but your reason is “justified” because you are a key worker? “The park/beach was so crowded” so I came home - BUT YOU WERE THERE TOO!!!!

We were worried as we had seen the police were stopping people and deciding what is essential and what is not - they clearly haven’t read the legislation

Yes, here I do agree with you. I'm actually carrying a hardcopy of the legislation around with me at the moment.

It's an absolute travesty that I feel the need to do this.

But Nike - why?

Do we have the highest death rates? Rates? Rates per head of population? Rates per population density? Rates of infected people?

Or do we have the highest absolute number of deaths?

Rates vs absolute are very different.

@Whitney101 its just the highest death rates, as in the biggest number. You don't need ask sensible questions. I doubt you're getting a sensible answer from anyone on this thread.

In other news I drove from London to Devon last week. To see my 70 year old in laws. For lunch. Flame away everyone.

Rate implies a per capita figure if you ask me, as opposed to an total amount.

I’m sure a rate is usually measures against something though. I don’t think it has to be (such as “rate of pay”) but in the context of how PP are using it to highlight our apparent failure, I think they’ve misunderstood the message. We’ve had more people die than say Italy, but our population is larger. It’s not particularly a defence but it’s important to highlight.

Rate implies a per capita figure if you ask me, as opposed to an total amount.

Yes I agree. I think it does imply that.

We don’t have the highest rate per 100,000 people. Think our media have a lot to answer for here.

As well as our government... it’s a catchy slogan until people take it to mean “if you don’t stay at home you are murdering people” (as per PP).

Comparisons between nations seem fairly meaningless as everyone seems to be recording and testing differently

Some neighbours on my road all out together having a BBQ. They've been doing it all along with nightly meetings for a glass of wine but today really bloody topped it off. Never social distancing. Makes me angry as one of many who have stayed indoors for 7+ weeks not seeing anyone outside my household. Guess the rules don't apply to them.

But Nike - why?

Not sure what you're asking here?

And the people moaning about traffic on the roads - erm you were there too but your reason is “justified” because you are a key worker?

Well yes, i'll tell my husband to get up an hour or two earlier and walk to the ambulance station for his shift then?

That wasn’t what I meant.

I was talking about the hypocrisy of people slagging others off while justifying their own reasons, when they have no idea what everyone else’s reasons are.

There is no requirement to be a key worker to be on the road.

You just need to have one of the 'lawful excuses' detailed in s6 of The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020

Do you not think though, regardless of the finite details of the legislation, that if you don’t need to be out you have a moral responsibility to stay in?

My neighbours are having another party/bbq today I'm the garden, there's a whole selection of extra cars where people who don't live there are there today.
Later they'll light a bonfire before all spilling out into the communal area at the front, the car park out the back and all the area surrounding the 4 houses ... I don't care if it makes me a miserable bastard, I fucking hate that they can do wtf they like despite the current problems.

One of them has announced on FB that he has CV and the ambulance has been a couple times to him for respiratory distress, then next day he was racing a pit bike around the car parks out the back ... the police have been on their doorstep more than once (no it wasn't us that reported them!)

I hate that every time someone comes to our house to make a delivery (we're shielding) those people are at risk from my arsehole neighbours who seem to think partying their way through this is acceptable.

Do you not think though, regardless of the finite details of the legislation, that if you don’t need to be out you have a moral responsibility to stay in?

No, parliament have the absolute discretion to include whatever restrictions they wish in any piece of legislation.

Different wordings are always discussed in the drafting of any legislation, and there is usually a very good reason why things are either included or left out.

It might be a reason you don't understand, or necessarily agree with, but parliament is sovereign this country and we need to allow ourselves to be guided by it.

The trouble with 'moral responsibility' is the one I mentioned earlier, namely that it falls under the heading of the Rule of Man, with all the issues associated with that.

We need clarity and certainty in the rules that govern society, not whatever Susan at No 45 thinks...

And that's why this virus will stick around and keep killing lots of people.

Where do you think its going?

It will still be round, there will be another wave thats not up for debate.
Lockdown was to slow the rate of people catching it, not to avoid it forever or irradicate it. It will always be around, reappearing in winter like other types of flu.

I was talking about the hypocrisy of people slagging others off while justifying their own reasons, when they have no idea what everyone else’s reasons are.*
Ironic as is the title of your post.

was talking about the hypocrisy of people slagging others off while justifying their own reasons, when they have no idea what everyone else’s reasons are

That’s exactly what you’ve done.

S brilliant dementor thread.

The bouncy castle man has a business to run and presumably could do with that stuff called money to, you know, feed his family and keep a roof over their heads. You can easily socially distance while setting up or taking down a bouncy castle in a garden. He can't do it from home either.

Yesterday I saw an argument on Facebook about ice-cream vendors. Observing all social distancing, with masks and gloves that were regularly changed and money put into a special pot on the side so that they didn't have to handle it while serving. They had permission of their local council to continue trading too. Dementors were still screeching about calling the police as these vendors were killing people.

Social distancing and good hygiene can easily be observed, both by bouncy castle men and ice-cream vendors in vans.

I think I have a moral duty to stay safe and healthy. I haven't mixed within 2m of anyone in 7 weeks, and then only aquaitances that I encountered. I haven't seen any family member outside my household for nearly 3 months due to DM being ill shortly before lockdown and cancelling seeing her due to having a cold.

I have adhered by the law about going out and exercising. My exercise needs are different to my children's, and sometimes I have taken them out seperately due to DS's ASD. For those reasons I have left the house on more than one occasion per day quite frequently. Being a quiet neighbourhood, on the fringe of the countryside I am more concerned about crossing the road in front of my house (especially now the traffic is lighter and faster) than I am about MURDERING someone or being MURDERED by a Covid carrier.
If I lived in an appartment block in a densely populated area, I'm sure that I would risk assess that differently.

We need low risk employment to continue and as many businesses as possible to survive and adapt in as safe a way as possible. Safe is not zero risk, it never is.
Hospitality and tourism will struggle with that, but the more industries that keep surviving, the better the economy and NHS will survive to support everyone.

This really is not a class detention and we're being kept in until we show understanding of the rules. It is a measure to reduce the strain on the NHS and reduce the level of a virus to a stage managable with testing and tracking until whatever point a vaccine is avaliable.

OP I seem to know barely anyone actually sticking to lockdown rules anymore.
All ‘my mom came over but we still social distanced’ stuff or people going to people’s houses to drop off non essential items to people who aren’t shielding and then chatting on the driveway about 2 feet from each other.
It’s depressing and I just keep thinking why the fuck am I bothering??

@Ethel

I know have spent the last week with DS as OH had to go back to work and have been dreading this BH weekend alone (DS does not really socialise with me 🤣😭

But all that’s allowed in the legislation and guidelines @Ethelfleda. It’s only against your rules, not the real ones.