To be so ashamed of my country and being British?

[KenDodd]

For so many reasons recently. I feel so, so sad about what has happened to our country.

YANBU to feel that way
YABU to feel that way

@didkt, it’s late so I am not up to getting you the figures but I can assure you UK have not taken in the numbers of refugees other large economy European countries have. The statistics are easy to find if you google.

@Sosadandempty lol. I’m Australian and the tories look left of centre to me. But that’s because we don’t have a class system. We don’t have a universal free at the point of access healthcare or a population that is 90% state educated specifically because we don’t have peasants to placate. People are expected to support themselves here. Obviously no one is left to starve, but only the British decent people bang on about their ‘rights’ to have everything paid by the government. As far as I can see they’re usually the ones that end up trapped in cyclical poverty as well.

@OP all countries have tabloids because all countries have morons. I would just stop torturing yourself.

Think you’re being a bit dramatic.

To be so ashamed of my country and being British?

It’s just such a sweeping statement that it’s meaningless, and more than a touch melodramatic.

Do you mean the government, an historic U.K. government, private businesses, social policies, your fellow Brits (all of them?!) or something else?

This isn’t North Korea, Germany 1945, or any one of dozens of different examples) where there might be something evil about the State to be ashamed of. We haven’t all been implicated in mass murder, we are not colluding in crimes against humanity. So what is so horrible and shameful to justify the over reaction?

There is plenty wrong with our society - and most societies- but we are not all one entity, and there’s no need for dramatics.

But this is what we voted for, this is us, even if some of us don't like it, they represent us

I'm Scottish. This shower of nasty lying hypocrites must certainly aren't "us".

@Guylan I don't have to Goofke although of course I do look at official reports because it's my jobs I stood up at IATs day after day representing
But don't let my reality get in the way of your fantasy.
David Cameron tried to get a deal that got us the respect we wanted for military and sovereignty and a legal system we could call our own but as a nation we wanted a bit more dignity. I'm sorry that makes you ashamed

I mean it was my job. I no longer represent at IATs but I did girls a long time. Numbers aren't dropping.
People aren't desperate to remain in the UK because of our EU membership and many try to make the UK their recognized entry point or to come as soon as they can
Obviously because we're all so awful and the French are more tolerant?
The Dutch and Germans more accepting?
The NHS and welfare state so accessible elsewhere?

OP you have not said what it is you are ashamed about. Why are you So ashamed?

@Didkdt I agree with all your posts. Well said.

We do. And scratch the surface of that and you find Putin

Your utter cluelessness is explicit in that statement. Zero perspective.

YANBU. And you don't need to quantify your reasoning for those on this forum that also live in the UK. It should be so very obvious... The problem is that for many people it really isn't. The ignorance and casual racism is only felt by the enlightened to what is actually going on. You do not have to be an ethnic minority or a first/ second generation citizen or whatever to really grasp this (because writing this I imagine that's what some readers will assume about those in agreement). Just a capacity for independent thought, some basic morals and a motivation to read and learn from reputable and accurate sources.

Not ashamed of my country but ashamed of peoples attuides.
We love nothing better than constant criticising there are many reasons for the death rate and I would honestly say the government isn't the main one

All our public services are abused by a core of people making bad choices with drink ,drugs, smoking diet and health.

We are one of the fattest and most unhealthiest countries in Europe
Fat and unhealthy people at very high risk of dying form CV because we have so many fat and unhealthy people of course more will die

People will not conform to guide lines about CV

People just hate the government so anything they do it's automatically wrong.

We are walking in the unknown with CV Of course there will be mistakes.

Thick people making stupid comparison like us with New Zealand there vast country with 5 million we have over 9 million squashed into London alone .

Hospitals rammed with drunk arseholes fighting ,obese people with diabetes and needing knee replacements and smokers with a number of smoking related diseases . Thats why the NHS is struggling you could throw money at it all day long and as long as people carry on not take personal responsibility for themselves you might as well set fire to your money.

Education schools are having to parent kids as well as education them

But rather than blame the root cause it's has became British tradition to blame the goverment for not spending money the haven't got

People just have no idea heard lots "government has found money to fund this " No they've had to borrow obscene amounts it we have to pay it back and it will plunge us into recession .

An NHS that didn't end up in the state we saw of the highly regarded Italians and all those news reports we watched weeks ago

The NHS didn’t end up overwhelmed because many people were either hospitalised too late or not at all. People either died or suffered unnecessarily at home when in some of those cases early intervention would have meant survival or less suffering.

@Reginabambina - thanks for your post - I guess the person’s comment resonated with me due to the emphasis on Tory donors and money over society which really rang true, and ties in with the government’s very slow response to the virus which will have cost unnecessary lives.

(Or caused unnecessary deaths I should say).

Thick people making stupid comparison like us with New Zealand - everyone knows NZ has a small population, however that doesn’t change the fact that Jacinda Ardern’s response to the virus has been exemplary. We could have applied her model here and saved lives. Early and ruthless 14 day quarantining of all incoming travellers being only one example.

rwalker totally agree with your post

There's a lot wrong with the UK. There's a lot wrong with Western civilisation. There's a lot wrong with humanity. There's also a lot of good. Instead of wallowing in shame and blaming others, dig down into your anger and channel it into action. As Mahatma Gandhi said, “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” Each one of us can do a little bit to make the world better.

On a day commemorating and celebrating the 75th anniversary of VE Day, NO, I am very proud to be British and I will fly the flag today and for many days to come.

in favour of a continent that has spat on us for years for free thinking and questioning

what does this mean?? We had many EU exemptions, how were we spat on?

In any case we are part of a cluster of countries that has been very badly affected by the virus, and I should imagine that all of those countries will have to look at why, not just the UK. We did however have more warning of what was coming than some of them and did not use that time wisely. Why were things like Cheltenham allowed to go ahead for example? Why did we lockdown so late? Why did we stop our community testing and contact tracing which had been started early on? Why were people allowed in off flights unchecked? Including Madrid football supporters in their droves?

I have lived in the Middle East, briefly the Far East, North Africa, The US - and the UK is the best by far. For fairness, quality of life, education, free speech ++, freedom, treatment of the poor.
You need to get out more OP.

fed up of seeing these threads. if you're that ashamed, bye!

disgraceful

and exactly @EdwinaMay I was going to say, the UK may not be perfect but we get a lot more than many other countries, hate threads like this

Early and ruthless 14 day quarantining of all incoming travellers being only one example. this is NZ mentioned above.

80 million passengers passed through Heathrow in 2018 - WHOLE population of NZ 4 million.

do the sums.

Pathetic. Instead of being "ashamed to be British" why not spend your spare time doing something to help society, even if for one hour a week.

I honestly can't stand these self indulgent, spoiled people who harp on about being ashamed to be British. How about moving to the likes of Syria, Cambodia, Eritrea, see how proud you then are of how Britain treats its citizens and the rights and comforts we have.

Bloody pathetic.

Totally agree @EdwinaMay