To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

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Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

We should never of locked down in first place, sensible social distancing measures were what was required and have worked well in Sweden.
Germany is allowing all shops to open and the bundesliga to restart, but with plans for an emergency brake if required.
Very sensible and logical thinking

I think people would do well to look at Irelands phased return strategy before people get too excited about what restrictions johnson might lift.

I agree it is much too soon. Italy and Spain started lock down earlier than us and had a stricter lockdown and are only now starting to ease up to similar levels to where we are now.
We already have more deaths than anywhere except the USA. If things ease up too quickly we will only end up in another lock down and there will be a lot more unecesarry deaths. The second wave of spanish flu killed many more than the first.

I know quite a few GPs, Drs and consultants who are sitting around twiddling their thumbs ( according to them) who are desperate to get things moving again. They're worried about the health of their patients and the size of the backlog if more routine appts and ops etc. aren't brought back soon.

A few more weeks in lock down will make a big difference to people hanging on to their businesses by a thread. It will ruin them.

How the fuck does anyone think they have enough information to imagine they know what will happen?

It's nuts to imagine you can be sure there will or won't be a second peak when you don't have any substantive information.

This is like Brexit again where people claim to have certain knowledge of things in the future that for the most part cannot be predicted accurately.

Lockdown wasn’t designed to eradicate the virus, it’s to manage the load on the NHS.
They have said it was to get the virus infection rates to lowest levels possible and protect the NHS . And it is not there yet. If the rate of transmission is 1 or above it is unmanageable at the moment it is between. 6 and. 9 so not really much below 1. It needs to be much lower or the NHS will be overwhelmed again.
A second peak is not inevitable if the easing of lockdown is not too soon and is manged properly. If it is too soon and manged badly. Infection rates will soar up again and we will be back where we started, only worse.

The whole thing’s like Brexit on steroids.

These people who want to extend the lockdown for another 3 weeks and then another, then another. What are they living on? Or are they the people who are furloughed and hoping for that to continue? Or retired people who are nervous of catching CV19 or are socially introverted and dont mind not going out for dinner, to see family etc.

And those who say that we have the highest death rate in Europe. You do know that other countries are not logging in the same way. Some are not including care home deaths, or deaths outside of hospital so its not like for like.

I hope Boris announces 3 more weeks lockdown tomorrow and then on Sunday announces how we will 'unlockdown' from 3 weeks time.

I feel the numbers are too high to start unlocking before the beg of June Of course we cannot stay locked down forever but there is still a huge problem in some areas (such as care homes) and I don't see how SD will happen effectively in Schools.

I think care homes should be looked at completely differently. My DF is in a care home so I know how they work and also that they have a very fluid number of residents for obvious reasons.

We shouldnt IMHO lump them into everything else. Dealing with schools and care homes in the same breath will not resolve this.

If we are to have a second round and I suspect we will, then August will be far better than winter for all sorts of reasons.

This lockdown would have been worse in the winter:

Even those without gardens have been able to open their windows to get some fresh air without freezing.

Queueing for supermarkets is far worse if it is cold and wet.

Hopefully most people will have at least slightly raised vitamin D levels

It won't coincide with natural flu season, which despite vaccination continues to lead to hospitalisation and death every year.

Some of the people who have broken the lockdown by, probably safely, meeting in gardens etc, will do the same, much less safely, indoors.

I think we can cope with a second wave in August far better than November onwards.

The downside is for the tourist industry in that it won't be able to (probably unwisely anyway) resurrect the second half of the season.

murder 🤣 wtf

What do people propose then?

A vaccine and a cure is months away . We have only just begun trials.

When exactly is it going to be " safe"

And what do people expect when we have a nation full of workers who cant stay home. Are we supposed to all suffer because some people in power assumed we were all benefit bums who could easily sit around doing nothing and completely underestimated the number of people who actually keep their country running for them .

We already have half the nation on or awaiting universal credit . We all need to get back to work

Good god there are some drama queens on here murder ffs .
It'll be very minor relaxation I suspect letting people see immediate family etc .
Italy have eased lockdown but again only slightly after 7 weeks . We won't be back to normal for some time so stop the panicking.
We need to get people back to work .

If you're vulnerable what happens? Do you loose your job because you're not 100% fit? If lockdown eases will.these people get protection? I'd be willing to bet not.
We'd all love to go back to normal but it's discriminating against those who are vulnerable or shielding. I want to go out for a walk which is risk at the moment but that's f things to back to normal I won't be able to go out at all. I'm not alone in this.
I suppose if you're stupid enough to be vulnerable your mental health doesn't matter.

A second peak will happen no matter when we lift the lockdown. Far better to have it in the summer rather than waiting and having it close to flu season when the nhs struggles anyway

Quite.

Keeping lockdown til september will only result in a large number of infections over november/december, which would be absolutely disastrous for the NHS.

I also think best to get it over with now tbh. As much as being so blase about what will surely be a lot more deaths sticks in my throat..life has to go on to some degree. Hiding away indefinitely is not an option so..do it the best way for the NHS.

If you're vulnerable what happens? Do you loose your job because you're not 100% fit? If lockdown eases will.these people get protection
Yes of course , the vulnerable will have to stay home for some time . What makes you think you'll be back at work?
Do people honestly think that it will be like before come on think about it .

well, if people think you can successfully run a business and look after your children from your hospital bed, it's a great plan.

You have to wonder WHY we bother with restriction guidelines - it never was a lockdown in the uk , at all.

Surely it would be Manslaughter at most.

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If only we had the scenario that NZ and Aus currently have - their citizens don’t need to be resigned to getting this awful virus. They can wait it out till there are better treatment protocols or a vaccine and in the meantime live their normal lives without fear because their new case numbers are in the 10s ... making tracking and tracing eminently doable - ours are in the 1000s!

Yeah if only.... Except comparing the UK to NZ or even Australia is ridiculous anyway. NZ is approx the same size as the entire UK and has a population less than that of London. And they are miles away from anywhere, not a major international hub like the UK. Of course it is easier for them to deal with the virus.

Economy screwed for a very long time or some more people die... honestly, I'll choose the first option

It isn't an either/or. Both are going to happen.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-shielded-britons-could-be-told-to-stay-at-home-for-longer-than-12-weeks-says-health-secretary-11983962

The vulnerable will stay at home .

I dont understand how he can even consider easing lockdown, we are still having 600+deaths a day. What happened to fulfilling the 5 criterion before lockdown was lifted? This country is a fucking joke.

I was under the impression Patrick vallance said he wanted the R number under one before we went back to normal - thos government and it's expert doesn't know it's arse from it's elbow.

Probably be a big increase in infections in about two weeks time after all the drunken loons have spent VE day breaking social distancing rules.