To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

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Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

Yeah, Murder. I'll stand by it.

But go ahead. Go out there. Mingle. Buy. Consume. But don't be fucking surprised if the numbers of deaths increase, because they will.

I love that so many people are saying it won't happen when Boris has literally just said that it will.

My friend who's a nurse in our local ICU says they're much busier in winter than they are now (we live in a medium-sized city). So personally I'd rather the second wave happens before then.

Plus the economy is going to pot and mental health is suffering.

We can't pause life indefinitely.

What do you think should happen Spartacus?

I think the most sensible thing the WHO have said is that we need to learn to love with the virus. This is the first step. The evidence suggests that transmission in the community (vs healthcare settings) is relatively low. Efforts need to be focussed on hospitals and, in particular, care homes rather than keeping everyone inside particularly the young and healthy.

I love that so many people are saying it won't happen when Boris has literally just said that it will.

Hilarious isn't it? They will lift some restrictions, but I doubt it will be huge things.

It will probably be things like allowed out for exercise more than once a day. Tips are already reopening thank fuck.

I might be able to finally go for an evening run AS WELL as walking my four year old in the morning.

Murdering bastard that I am.

What do you think should happen Spartacus

How do you justify easing lockdown when the curve is still at a point where a second peak will happen and people will die?

We should have lockdown until the end of the summer and reflect why the economy immediately collapses when we stop running around frantically, buying overpriced tat, clothes and coffee.

I don't understand this. Getting it is inevitable and a vaccine isn't a given. Surely its better to have waves rather than all going to hospital in winter and overloading the nhs

80% of half the working populations wages is not sustainable.

Self employed with no income is no sustainable.

Around 400 people under the age of 40 have died during the whole outbreak - the UK population is around 60 million. More of that same age group die of suicide. (In 2018, there were 6,507 suicides registered in the UK, an age-standardised rate of 11.2 deaths per 100,000 population; the latest rate is significantly higher than that in 2017 and represents the first increase since 2013.) Far more that the number of deaths from Covid-19.

Healthy people have an extremely low risk - more likely to die crossing the road/car accident/etc... There has been a huge media hype to create fear on a never before seen scale. If you are elderly or in a vulnerable group then yes shield and need to take extreme measures but under 40's - not really.

Technically @Runningfar I think you are allowed out as many times as you want but I imagine that falls under the murdering heading to some people on here too!

Murder 🙄

Take it up with the novel virus that has never been encountered before by humans.

FFS.

Measures may well be lifting but there’s no indication that schools will return anytime soon

I thought the next review of Lockdown was tomorrow? 3 weeks after the last one

Cancer treatment is likely to be affected after lockdown as what is currently stopped are procedures that put people at medical risk...and the risk is of being infected by the virus not a risk of breaking lockdown

Cancer screening should be going on and it's fear not lockdown that is causing a drop in people coming forward. Again, that's fear of the virus not fear of anything to Do with lockdown . Doctors are keynworkers who are still working,

Depends on what easing entails, it's not going to be everything back to normal on Monday (which would be reckless), it's likely to be small changes to gradually get back to normal keeping infection at a manageable level.

@Weallhavevalidopinions Have you seen any stats on the number of those 400 that have underlying health conditions? I spent a brief moment searching but couldn't see anything immediately. Presumably that would make the (very powerful) comparison with suicide even more stark once accounted for.

And again...what is the alternative? Keep bankrolling over half of the population indefinitely? There was always going to be a second peak. When do you think it should happen? In autumn/winter when the NHS us busier? What about everyone suffering with anything other than covid 19? When do they get to restart treatment?

Thus is about more than going to the shops. It is simplistic to suggest tbh.

How do you justify easing lockdown when the curve is still at a point where a second peak will happen and people will die?

Because we can't avoid it. And it is better for it to happen now than in flu season.

Are you really suggesting that a full lockdown stays in place until we have a vaccine? How will that be funded? What if a vaccine never comes?

Yeah, Murder. I'll stand by it.

FFS

@Runningfar you can already go out more than once a day. It makes absolutely no difference to anything and no one is going to stop you.

Easing restrictions isn't murder. Forcing children to spend all day every day with their abusive/neglectful/addicted parents without any school to go to or contact with any other adults is murder however. The death may not happen now (though some have), it may take that child a long number of excruciating years to succumb to the effects that locking people up have had on them.

Anyone who thinks lockdown should continue as it is is a total idiot who doesn't give a shit about the effect it is having on people.

If it starts killing loads of children once everything is lifted then I’m sure people will start calling it ‘murder’

Mumsnet would change it’s tune IF that happened.

Yes it’s for sure. It was announced on PM questions today.

And the award for the most ridiculous , out there comment on the thread .

Its murder .

How dramatic are you.

‘Easing’ the lockdown will undoubtedly be a long and depressing process of incremental change (and periods of going backwards). Sunday’s announcement isn’t going to be anything that’ll make anyone’s heart sing.