To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

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Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

It probably will cause a second peak. I don't think in some areas we've even seen the first one. Cases in my area are still rising.

Very good point the humans. Though at least those without children, (And those whose partner can care for the dc), who wanted to go back to work, could do so. I agree it would be nothing like enough to get the economy working fully, but suspect it would be more so than now. Given the latest announcements about possible fall in gdp and rise in unemployment in uk, that could be worth doing.

Who pays those continuing lockdown?

I don’t think 6 weeks is anywhere near long enough.

I feel genuinely a bit thick to not get how this works, but why wouldn;t six weeks be enough? It can take about two weeks to incubate - is that right? So if none of us see each other for six weeks, its chances of spreading have hugely dropped. There will be pockets of transmission - in hospitals and schools with SEN classrooms opened, and occasional transmissions from not cleaning trolley handles or incoming shopping, but generally, the scope for transmission has dropped so hugely, how can six weeks not be long enough?

It won't go away - we will always have corona now, until a vaccine is found. We don't lockdown to avoid flu or other viruses lethal to the vulnerable. How can staying in lockdown for another 3 weeks help slow the spread? I genuinely don't get the maths or science behind this.

He has no choice. Lockdown was on the decline here two weeks ago. Whatever he Relaxes it too, people are already doing around here. Those that want to stay isolated will be able to for a few more weeks I guess as back to work will coincide with back to school

My grandad didnt have a choice, he was in a place where he should of been looked after and 3 weeks later it had killed him, probably because someone decided they had to buy some cheap tat and super noodles.

I’m sorry for your loss but that’s not fair. Firstly, unless they literally went nowhere but B and M, they could have caught it anywhere. Secondly, B and M sell loads of food other than cheap noodles, plus people working in care homes don’t earn much and may be on a tight budget. B and M sells things like milk, bread, cheese, cold meat, tw and coffee, tinned food as well as cheap noodles.

I don’t think some people understand the word “easing”.
They’ve said they’ll ease some restrictions,not all so I don’t understand the hand wringing and panic.
If anything it’ll mean a few more workers go back IF safe to do so , a few more shops open and we are allowed a little further afield outside for longer .
They have not said we will go back to normal .. not once !

@SudokuBook agree, I actually think that’s bloody offensive to carers.
We lost a family member to the virus and the only one to blame is the covid itself

”Who pays those continuing lockdown”
Good question - I’ll assume for these purposes it’s the government. Expensive yes but not as expensive as currently, and more tax revenue would be being generated. It also means those who want to, including the young who are (mostly but not all) at relatively low risk, can get back to work, seeing relations and so on.

Combining this with sample testing, , so that local outbreaks can be detected, and track and trace, would this be feasible? I havent yet convinced myself it wouldnt - complicated and expensive yes!

Fluffy certainly todays press reports suggest any easing on monday will be Relatively minimal - having said that, some of the headlines perhaps give a different impression!

I don't think it would be feasible to pay anyone who wanted to lock down for no reason other than they just wanted to, no.

@SudokuBook I agree with you too.

I see the point indecent, but i suppose my point is that as an alternative to continuing with the lockdown it would be cheaper, and have the advantage of enabling those who want to go back to work and see family, to do so. bank of England forecast is a 14% contraction in the economy this year if lockdown is lifted in june. (Though it does also predict 15% growth next year. )

No it won’t

We sleep-walked into this peak and now we all now the symptoms, the risk, how to distance and many will continue with modified behaviour

@fromlittleacorns If people don't want to go back to work then they take unpaid leave and be fully prepared not to have a job to return to once they've decided they've had enough of lockdown.

I’m afraid so - anyone not able or willing to go back to work by say sept will lose their job and there will be people lining up to get those jobs

I think it's far too soon to lift the lockdown.
I'm continuing to stay at home, shopping delivered etc.

Did I hear that if you don't send your child back to school then you won't be fined?

Interesting point about the Spanish flu second wave being far worse than the initial peak.

I think lots of people will continue to stay in, shop online etc which will help the overall situation

Am sure schools won’t fine - the risk will be not having an education which prob doesn’t matter so much depending on age of child

I don't think anyone will expect to ping back to normal. Even if a total removal of lockdown happened, I would carry on with click and collect/home delivery, steer clear of busy places etc. Only difference being the kids would go to school, I would go to work (in a school). We would continue with all sensible hygiene practices etc.

I don't think that there will be much easing restrictions. As I keep saying it will probably be more about people being able to do outside activities which probably doesn't have much effect on infection rates. The real increase will happen when schools open and pubs.

As I keep saying as they keep saying

I don’t understand why people would rather non essential shops open than clubs.

Because the risk of transmission is much much higher if people are in crowded clubs, potentially drunk/stoned and probably not social distancing very well. They may be younger people but they will often be living with at least a middle age parents.

I was thinking about this as I woke up this morning! I think they're only going to very gradually lift lockdown.

I also think there will be 3 waves. First one we've just got through - a second when lockdown is eased in summer, and a third in winter.

I would have also preferred to see the impact of the lockdown lifted in France/Spain/Italy before we did it. But I think it would be ok to allow more people outside - to parks, beaches etc, and to open cafes/pubs with a garden - although I don't think I'll be out socialising in them just yet, because I'm a real scaredy cat about catching the virus..

Our village pub has a garden, so they'll be able to re-open, and I've been worried about their business. Maybe open a few shops too - although again, I won't personally be queuing up to visit ikea etc anytime soon! I hope they think very carefully before allowing mass gatherings/football matches/school re-opening though. Don't want to transmission rate to shoot up again.

Exactly @Fluffybutter. Carers are doing an amazing job. They’ve been treated like shit for years and yet now are expected to fight an inferno, which they knew was coming before government lifted a finger, with a watering can. Many are risking their own lives to care for residents.

The emphasis on outside in the press reports today does suggest the govt may be getting advice that risk of open air transmission is lower.

Though Who knows?

On the issue of ‘voluntary unlockdown’, i suppose my point is that it’s better for the economy than no unlockdown at all, and that ‘compulsory’ unlocking when so many of the public are concerned about it is unlikely to happen for many reasons. so voluntary unlockdown would be better for the economy and employment, including youth employment, than nothing!

What i dont know is whether it would be possible In that scenario to protect those in care homes (and having community carers), as they are people with no real ‘choice’ about whether to expose themselves to risk. Eg by giving carers ppe, testing carers daily (yes i know!), asking carers to avoid crowded public transport and maybe paying for taxis for them. All very expensive i know but so is continued lockdown.

Then Leaving most others to decide whether or not they want to take the risk of going back to work, dc back to school etc.