To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

[Gawdsake2020]

Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

Bottom line.

This Government has got us into a massive hole.

It needs to get us all out of it - safely and fast.

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To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?452Show OP
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Today 13:16 DateandTime

What about all the deaths caused by people insisting lockdown should go on indefinitely? The cancer screening and treatment that's not happening, the deaths caused by the poverty that will follow, the suicides as a result of the lockdown/business failures. Are they murder too?
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Today 13:16 YetAnotherSpartacus

Yeah, Murder. I'll stand by it.

But go ahead. Go out there. Mingle. Buy. Consume. But don't be fucking surprised if the numbers of deaths increase, because they will.
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Today 13:16 mynameiscalypso

I love that so many people are saying it won't happen when Boris has literally just said that it will.
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Today 13:19 MinnieMountain

My friend who's a nurse in our local ICU says they're much busier in winter than they are now (we live in a medium-sized city). So personally I'd rather the second wave happens before then.

Plus the economy is going to pot and mental health is suffering.

We can't pause life indefinitely.
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Today 13:20 namechangenumber2

What do you think should happen Spartacus?
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Today 13:22 mynameiscalypso

I think the most sensible thing the WHO have said is that we need to learn to love with the virus. This is the first step. The evidence suggests that transmission in the community (vs healthcare settings) is relatively low. Efforts need to be focussed on hospitals and, in particular, care homes rather than keeping everyone inside particularly the young and healthy.
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Today 13:22 Runningfar

I love that so many people are saying it won't happen when Boris has literally just said that it will.

Hilarious isn't it? They will lift some restrictions, but I doubt it will be huge things.

It will probably be things like allowed out for exercise more than once a day. Tips are already reopening thank fuck.

I might be able to finally go for an evening run AS WELL as walking my four year old in the morning.

Murdering bastard that I am.
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Today 13:22 YetAnotherSpartacus

What do you think should happen Spartacus

How do you justify easing lockdown when the curve is still at a point where a second peak will happen and people will die?
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Today 13:23 Moomin12345

We should have lockdown until the end of the summer and reflect why the economy immediately collapses when we stop running around frantically, buying overpriced tat, clothes and coffee.
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Today 13:23 ambereeree

I don't understand this. Getting it is inevitable and a vaccine isn't a given. Surely its better to have waves rather than all going to hospital in winter and overloading the nhs
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Today 13:23 Weallhavevalidopinions

80% of half the working populations wages is not sustainable.

Self employed with no income is no sustainable.

Around 400 people under the age of 40 have died during the whole outbreak - the UK population is around 60 million. More of that same age group die of suicide. (In 2018, there were 6,507 suicides registered in the UK, an age-standardised rate of 11.2 deaths per 100,000 population; the latest rate is significantly higher than that in 2017 and represents the first increase since 2013.) Far more that the number of deaths from Covid-19.

Healthy people have an extremely low risk - more likely to die crossing the road/car accident/etc... There has been a huge media hype to create fear on a never before seen scale. If you are elderly or in a vulnerable group then yes shield and need to take extreme measures but under 40's - not really.
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Today 13:24 mynameiscalypso

Technically @Runningfar I think you are allowed out as many times as you want but I imagine that falls under the murdering heading to some people on here too!
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Today 13:25 JoeExoticsEyebrowRing

Murder 🙄

Take it up with the novel virus that has never been encountered before by humans.

FFS.
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Today 13:25 RedAzalea

Measures may well be lifting but there’s no indication that schools will return anytime soon
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BrandyandBabycham

I thought the next review of Lockdown was tomorrow? 3 weeks after the last one”

Yes it is. I expect a further 3 week extension will be announced with minor tinkering on Monday, when further lifting, after the additional 3 weeks, will be announced.

Do think people are expecting far too much after today’s PMQs.

I don't think much will be relaxed on Monday or indeed in May at all. More shops allowed to open and perhaps an indication of school opening for some in June.

I think that there is no wish to extend furlough beyond the current end of June.

Good Grief. No idea what happened there!

all I wanted to say was:

BrandyandBabycham

I thought the next review of Lockdown was tomorrow? 3 weeks after the last one”

Yes it is. I expect a further 3 week extension will be announced with minor tinkering on Monday, when further lifting, after the additional 3 weeks, will be announced.

Do think people are expecting far too much after today’s PMQs.

people are expecting far too much, i agree

Minor tinkering is a start though, and possibly a review after 10 or maybe 14 days when it should be possible to tell what the effect has been on Rt, and whether track and trace is reasonably reliable.

Its hard to tell but concerns about unemployment do seem to be coming into focus, and may have promoted the decision to do something, however slight, on sunday, rather than postponing everything until end may. Particularly the impact on youth unemployment?

Not sure Johnson was "medically vulnerable " . Unless being a sexually incontinent lying twat counts as vulnerable.
There is no "us and them". Very healthy, otherwise medically unremarkable people have died. Johnson was ill enough to be fed "litres and litres of oxygen " in hospital.

My Grandad died on Sunday. He had been at home shielding for weeks. He moved into a care home 3 weeks ago as his mobility had deteriorated.
The carers went out and did their food shopping, they went to the garden centre at the weekend or b and m (because apparently the fact they sell noodles means they can stay open) and unfortunately someone passed him a virus that killed him.

Yes its shit & we cant stop the carers looking after our elderly and vunerable from leaving their homes, but the more they leave them and the greater they travel the higher the risk of the virus getting into homes and sheltered accommodation.

I'm 33 weeks pregnant so I wont be leaving my house until I've had the baby, but for most people it's a choice. Staying home is my choice. Staying home is yours. Going out 4 times a day if you want to is your choice.

My grandad didnt have a choice, he was in a place where he should of been looked after and 3 weeks later it had killed him, probably because someone decided they had to buy some cheap tat and super noodles.

@NelliePig so sorry about your grandad.

@StrawberryJam200 Thank you. Other than his mobility he was a healthy older gentleman so none of us were really prepared for it x

I'm sure it's been mentioned but there are arguments to get the second wave out the way now before winter. When it would be catastrophic and also to get earning money again... To financially be able to to take on the second wave...

I'm in two minds.
I've never thought shutting parks was a good idea.
I didn't think Cheltenham and Madrid match was good idea either.

So many mistakes have been made. That awful Patrick valance kept saying its strong science we are following and yet, we could sense without communicating sense that they were bonkers!!

I want some restrictions lifted. I want national trust open, parks, companies where they can to open, shoe shops, hair dresses... Some children back, not all, masks for everyone...
Etc. But not clubs, not packed pubs, or closely confined spaces...

Tubes monitored and... Airports and new arrivals monitored.

BeltaneBride

I realised that the things I'd always done and assumed were normal were not.... Like carrying hand sanitizer and using after touching surfaces on public transport, turning way from panting spitting runners, hating people touch my phone, pens etc . I think I have been distancing always and now the world has caught up 😀

Exactly the same as this.

we are still having 600+deaths a day

No we aren't.

Funny how people know better than the officially collated figures. Figures that incidentally always get revised upwards once all the deaths have been registered and data is adjusted accordingly.

I feel easing of the lockdown is to soon. I would not be happy for my children to go back to school yet. We have only been in lockdown for little over a month, too soon,.

I'm so confused; up until a couple days ago everyone was saying lockdown shud go on for a long time, be stricter etc. And berating ppl for not following rules. And now everyone is saying lockdown needs to stop and its ridiculous. I honestly dont know the answer myself but MN seems to have swung from one extreme to the other.

This has been appearing in a lot of posts I’m seeing on Facebook

I don’t understand why people would rather non essential shops open than clubs.

Clubs are frequented by young people, who are low risk, and if we are ending lockdown will want to go out and have the benefit of socialising.

Non essential shops can be replaced by online ordering.

*I don’t understand why people would rather non essential shops open than clubs.

Clubs are frequented by young people, who are low risk, and if we are ending lockdown will want to go out and have the benefit of socialising.*

Young people may be at lower risk themselves, but are vectors so spread the virus to those at higher risk.

I think it's time we started to come out of lockdown and that there are many good reasons for doing so. It's not just because of 'the economy', which sounds so cold, but for health reasons too.

In order to maintain a strong immune system, we need exercise and sunlight. We need to feel relaxed and happy. We need to connect and interact with others. And, believe it or not, we also need to be around bacteria and viruses! Our immune systems are developing all the time. We can't stay in and isolate ourselves for weeks on end and still expect to maintain healthy immune systems!

We also need to ensure that the production of healthy food is maintained. (Globally, there have been food shortages in some places because of the lockdown.)

And, we need to get back to normal with regard to healthcare, to try to minimise the suffering caused by the delay of many (non-viral) tests and treatments.

I feel very concerned about the effect on people's livelihoods too. It's not just their jobs and mortgages; but homelessness, divorce, mental health issues, suicides...

So, yes, I think we need to start easing out of lockdown now.

I have been wondering about the immune system issue for a while.

Humans haven’t evolved to live in massive cities, so does it actually benefit your immune system to be exposed to the huge pathogen load of mixing with hundreds of strangers every day?

Surely you can build a properly functioning immune system by exposure to bacteria in your everyday surroundings and by contact with a smaller number of people. It’s eradicating the relatively harmless bacteria in homes that causes the problem.

I wonder if the idea that you should be catching illnesses to build your immune system is what has made people so lax about hand washing and spreading illness in the first place.

We’ve been told that it is exposure to high viral loads that is making medical staff so ill. So by mixing with large numbers of strangers, are we all exposing ourselves to a higher viral load than the human immune system requires?

There must be some middle ground.

Genuine question, and i may change my mind while writing this post.
What would be the problem with lifting the lockdown for those who want to, and allowing anyone who wanted to to continue it - so no compulsion on anyone to go to school, work, anything. Anyone who goes back to work asked to social distance, wear masks, etc. Continue to ban large or even medium events.

Anyone who wanted to continue Lockdown could stay at home and have shopping delivered either by paid workers (preferable, given unemployment likely to rise) or in the short term, the currently unused goodsam volunteers.

Obviously you would get some complicated work situations, and some schools might be unable to return if insufficient teaching staff, but it might be possible to ‘merge’ classes or schools temporaily to accommodate those dc who did return.

One problem is then for people who have to have physical contact eg those who need care in care homes and the community, because the carers would be more likely than now to have asymptomatic infections. Is it feasible for those people to be protected by giving the carers ppe, temperature tests every day, and daily Corona tests with 24 hr result turnaround. Not 100% effective i know.

The other problem is that nhs staff then continue to be exposed to infection as there will be an increase in admissions - though perhaps not so very many as over 60s might be more likely to choose to stay at home? Once you have enough ppe For hcws, is that adequate protection?
What are the other problems with this proposal - i havent talked myself out of it yet?!

From little acorns well imagine 90 percent of teachers decide not to go to work? How would schools function?

And if schools don’t function, how would those with younger kids be able to go back to work?

Needs to happen certain segments of the population need to be locked down - at risk groups and over 70s maybe. The mortality rate otherwise is tiny. It can’t be justified any longer needs to be phased out

Boris was technically medically vulnerable because he’s obese and also a middle aged man. They’re not sure why as yet but men are more likely to die and middle aged overweight men seem to be one of the biggest risks.

That aside, I’m dreading it being ‘eased’ so soon because I don’t want DH to return to work just yet. I’m 7 months pregnant and this virus absolutely terrifies me. Of course there will be a second peak if we lift lockdown now, we were never strict enough with it to begin with and I don’t think 6 weeks is anywhere near long enough.