To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

[Gawdsake2020]

Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

Agreed @Cam77 they are a disgrace

Let the people with underlying health conditions and the elderly, and their live in families, continue with self isolation. The rest of us should get back to normal. But I can see Boris is going to have a fight on his hands - there are many people who for various reasons just don’t want to go back to work, but if they choose not to do so then they should be told there is no more government money, so it’s at the discretion of their employers as to whether they will continue to pay workers staying at home. And I think we all know businesses who have already been hit financially are not going to pay someone to sit at home once lockdown is officially lifted.

we actually have no idea how many people had this virus a month ago or how many people in the population have already had it and recovered!

That’s quite easy math.

Death rate is very likely at 0.05 percent. Which with 30k deaths means that six million people have had it in the uk. Even if it was as high as one percent, it would be 12 million people.

So likely between ten and 20 percent have had it, and 80 -90 percent have not.

we need to buck up our immune system, one way or another, if not to covid then at least to the other bugs.

649 people didn’t die today. The deaths are backdated. 649 deaths were reported yesterday, some going back to March.

Under 100 people died in a hospital in England yesterday. 549 people didn’t die in the rest of the UK and carehomes yesterday.

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/05/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-6-May-2020.xlsx

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"ChavvySexPond Wed 06-May-20 19:25:02
Honestly, when people say "lockdown must end now " what I hear is "I'm ok that 649 people died today. I'm ok with 693 people dying yesterday. I'm fine if 600 or so people die every day. Given the choice between stopping those deaths and giving me what I want - I want what I want." "

Actually approximately 11,000 people die in the UK on average each week (ONS rolling 5 year average) .... no one if 'fine' with 649 deaths today BUT the country needs to work to pay for the NHS / food / etc etc etc or the death rate from other causes will spike as well....

Why do some people think that staying at home prevents all deaths - it doesn't .... it lowers some but others may increase - suicide/domestic abuse/eventually poverty related deaths... do you REALLY think we should all stay in until deaths with ANY MENTION of Covid-19 on the certificate fall to 0 .... even if some of those unfortunate individuals were dying already and may have had a matter of weeks to go anyway...

Let's sacrifice people suffering from cancer - until we get to 0 Covid deaths per day? Now that would be really stupid. Who else do we sacrifice for you ... until the deaths from once cause and one cause only fall to 0 .... meanwhile the deaths from other causes will rise..

@Bluntness100
There’s something like 20 million over 60s in the UK. If just 5% of those people are visited by younger relatives etc (and of course it will be much more than that given how lax many in Britain have been with social distancing etc), that could mean up to 1 million vulnerable people likely to get the virus, with quite possibly 100,000+ needing intensive care. Just look at 55 year old Boris Johnson. For as long the government fails to get numbers down, ending lockdown is extremely problematic, if not impossible.

until the deaths from once cause and one cause only fall to 0 .... meanwhile the deaths from other causes will rise..

You’re missing a key point.

Deaths from other causes doesn’t enable them to stay home.

Many of those deaths reported today are from weeks and weeks ago. I find this a much more helpful overview of what is happening on a day by day basis (in England anyway).

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

66 deaths today - yes that will rise over the next few days/week or so, but there is a huge downward trend.

@iamapixie
Thank you. In former days it used to be three score years and ten and anything over is an extra not a privilege. Frankly, it is not quantity of life but quality of life. Personally, I would rather commit suicide than spend my last years in nappies.

Personally I think Boris is following Trump's lead and has basically decided the economic opportunities are more important than culling the population.

Honestly, when people say "lockdown must end now " what I hear is "I'm ok that 649 people died today. I'm ok with 693 people dying yesterday. I'm fine if 600 or so people die every day. Given the choice between stopping those deaths and giving me what I want - I want what I want."

Haha is this for real?

”I would hope testing is a bit better now than the first wave, and we have a bit more of an idea of what we are up against.
I'm guessing we will be able to tell pretty quickly when we are spiking, and we can shut down quickly and hopefully for a short period of time.”

Yes newjez, depending on where govt is with the sampling strategy. I find it quite hard to find up to date info on that. Though i suppose track and trace would also be of some use in relation to identifying increases in infections.

I hate lockdown, I have worked from home for 14 years, we are all so bloody lucky to have worked and been paid full pay through this, two key workers and one front line. But we need to ease restrictions slightly, we need to CAREFULLY start moving forwards, gradually and compliantly.

There’ll be a massive stampede.
In fact, it’s already begun.
Everywhere much, much busier today.
My poor grandson will be gutted. He’s quite enjoyed getting 80 per cent pay for sitting at home doing A level studies, Xbox, reading etc
Instead of working in Mc Ds

That won’t be long before it goes nationwide.

I dread to see the queues the day Ikea opens. It’ll be like everyone has been let out of jail.
My DH would rather chew off his own leg than accompany me there...but thankfully..he’s ok..I wouldn’t want to go if you paid me.
We’ve had a lovely evening at the beach, watching the cargo ships and fishing vessels come and go.
Come the ‘ Big Release’ we will probably go to the countryside parks we’ve been frequenting, or seaside resorts like Whitby without wondering if we will get moved on..we might get some chips and a cup of tea..that will be thrilling.

We need to get out and start spending all the money we’ve hoarded to kick start the businesses.

Personally I think Boris is following Trump's lead and has basically decided the economic opportunities are more important

Or perhaps now he is out of ICU he has had the chance to look at the trillions and trillions of debt that are building up, now at same level as our debt after world war two and thought fuck, I need to get the country going or we will be bankrupt by September - and he would not be wrong.

Personally I think Boris is following Trump's lead
What in trying to get the highest death toll?

building work has stopped in many many places

my team supply to builders, that area has been quiet

Personally I think Boris is following Trump's lead and has basically decided the economic opportunities are more important than culling the population

I’d laugh at that but honestly feel some sorrow for you.

We need to move towards the new normal that includes work, or no one will have a life worth living at the end of this if all the firms go bust. We cannot stay locked down forever with all the mental health and other implications.

@Lasagnah

theres some truth in that. people say what about our mental health, the suicides...total disregard for people who are dying with no choice or chance to reason

The only thing you have to do if you don't feel comfortable is not to go out and avoid crowds.

I recommend Grayson Perry's programme o Channel 4. It will cheer you up.