To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

[Gawdsake2020]

Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

totally - yes, I see a lot of young NT volunteers helping with ground works and the customer-facing volunteers in my area are 50's/60's in the main (early retired to the west country often). Don't know so much about museums.

I'd never thought of it like that, MsSafina, but, as alarming a thought as it is, you could be right. I'm 70 and haven't been out since I don't know when. It doesn't bother me but from things I've read (including someone I vaguely know, older than me, with whom I interact on a forum), many elderly are bolshie about being so restricted and try to break the rules more than younger people. They believe it's all a big con!

Then there are the youngsters who still party, regardless of being told not to.

I wonder if age really is a factor. It surely depends on the individual, most people I know of all ages are being very sensible and observant of guidelines. They're bound to chaff after a while though; some of the stories on here alone are simply heartbreaking.

Regarding Brexit, I do remember (seems a long time ago), that there appeared to be a big divide in attitudes between 'old' and 'young', the older generation being accused of not wanting their way of life to be changed, racism, etc. However I was at a gathering last year where there were a lot of people from all over the country and a distinct group of youngish people were very pro-Brexit (quite ignorant with it too - 'we don't like foreigners' and the like). I was appalled, my son nearly got into a verbal with them but a friend pulled him away because it was not the time nor place. However it was an eye opener (I was a 'Remainer' btw).

I feel uneasy that I may be judged in the future (if I live :-)), for something beyond my control. I can't help getting old, indeed prior to this I have been happy to but would hate people resenting me for going along with lockdown. What else can I do? I am not thinking of me, I don't want to catch the virus and consequently put more pressure on an already stretched NHS, neither do I want to infect anyone else.

We are all in a no win situation.

One of our biggest problems is the lack of guidance from our 'leaders' who change their minds so often.

Now I fear I may have gone quite off the point of your post but hope I'll be forgiven.

hey won't be lockdown lifting on Monday - although possibly in the construction industry?

Construction never stopped.

DH works in the building industry and has been to work throughout lockdown.

It did in Scotland

How can we pay for the blessed NHS if the country is bankrupt?

Moreover what is the effect going to be on the young and healthy whose lives have been ruined? I am not being callous but why is there this focus on care home deaths? Their "loved ones" are in care homes because they don't want to look after them at home or they have such severe illness they can't look after them. Their average age means they are going to die much sooner than later.

BTW. I am over 60 and have cared for both deceased parents at home.

Any predictions on the rates we'll see in the 2nd wave? Should be mid July if lockdown starts easing gradually next week.

Any predictions on the rates we'll see in the 2nd wave

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I don't know @DianaT1969, any predictions for the wider implications of a sustained lockdown?

YetAnotherSpartacus

Yeah, Murder. I'll stand by it.

But go ahead. Go out there. Mingle. Buy. Consume. But don't be fucking surprised if the numbers of deaths increase, because they will.

I agree with the above, it's too soon, after all that everyone has done so far, sad fuck up it will be

It's hardly lockdown is it. Everyone is out and about, just the vast majority not going to work. How can we possibly sustain that? Those that can should be going out to work so that those who are vulnerable can stay at home if they choose to. Fit, young, healthy people are watching vulnerable people go to work just because they lost the occupation lottery.

But I'm dying to get back into primark

More than 6,000 new cases recorded today.

@DianaT1969

I would hope that testing is a bit better now than the first wave, and we have a bit more of an idea of what we are up against.
I'm guessing we will be able to tell pretty quickly when we are spiking, and we can shut down quickly and hopefully for a short period of time.

I agree with the above, it's too soon, after all that everyone has done so far, sad fuck up it will be

Why did we lock down dotty.

I will make it easy. Multiple choice.

A/ To protect the NHS and ensure it wasn’t breached
B/ To eradicate rhe disease.

Cringing for you.

Yeah if a second wave is somewhat inevitable, short of keeping everyone in lockdown until a vaccine is developed, why is it better to have that peak occur when there's also the usual round of autumn/winter bugs kicking in?

It doesn't matter what Boris says now. Half of the population have decided that lockdown is over. My street today had so many visitors. People coming round and going into my neighbours houses, people walking in mixed households, kids playing out in the street together. There never really was a 'lockdown'. They can keep the bars and restaurants closed as long as they like and think that will solve the issue but it won't.

MsSafina. That is a very uncomfortable truth. I agree with you.

The lock down is to starve the virus.

You what? Its not going to go away...even if 'starved'..whatever that means

The lockdown was so the NHS could handle the influx. People will die, but they couldn't handle all dying together, so it was to be spread out over a while instead. Same amount will die, just..slower.

There isn’t the issue think there is though.

Less than a thousand people under 55 have died.
About 95 percent of those had underlying health conditions.
Less than a hundred healthy under fifty fives have died.

Less than three thousand under 65s. Same math on health conditions.

So why is the healthy working or school age population on lock down? Why not just over 65s and rhe medically vulnerable?

Honestly, when people say "lockdown must end now " what I hear is "I'm ok that 649 people died today. I'm ok with 693 people dying yesterday. I'm fine if 600 or so people die every day. Given the choice between stopping those deaths and giving me what I want - I want what I want."

The numbers of cases are high because the numbers being tested is high! Now thousands are being tested daily so the mild cases are now in the numbers. What is important is the number in hospital needing treatment though as long as that is manageable... people will mild symptoms at home need to know if they have it so they can stay home and avoid spreading it.

Several weeks ago only the ones admitted to hospital were tested, everyone else who thought they had it stayed home until they got better therefore it appears that there are increasing numbers of cases whereas we actually have no idea how many people had this virus a month ago or how many people in the population have already had it and recovered!

Maybe you could do with a lesson in how to read, Chavvy.

This government seriously worries me. It’s not their politics I object to right now it’s their incompetence and the lack of trust they inspire. I just think many of the big figures are incompetent and not up to the task. People like Johnson, Raab, Hancock, Patel. 30,000+ official deaths, God knows what the actual number is but certainly considerably higher. And then 600+ deaths and 6,000+ new cases updated/recorded just today. Wtf? The public inquiry when it finally hits and is released to the public (without redactions?) will be brutal (will we see it in 5 years? 10? 50?).
A cabinet/PM specifically chosen for the ideological purity of their Brexit belief and not much else, all in it up to their necks.

i would prefer another 3 weeks but hopefully it will just be baby steps from monday like certain people going back to work then weekly phases from then

i understand the economy needs a kickstart