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Should I be worried about husband's colleague?

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Smm7 · 01/05/2020 11:55

Hi mums
This is my first time posting but I feel like I'm going out of my mind and I really need some advice please. My husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and we've had our ups and downs like normal couples but mostly things have always been great. He's a good man, he's always treated me well, supportive both emotionally and financially, and is an amazing father to our children. However, he's developed a really close friendship with a woman he works with and I'm not sure if I should be worried or if I'm overreacting. To give you some back story, I became aware of this woman last year when my husband took our little girl to his office and she came back talking about this woman and how she's daddy's best friend. She's young, single and very pretty. Her name has popped up a few times since then and I've always had a bit of an off feeling about their friendship, but I put it down to my own insecurity. When the lockdown started, both my husband and I had to start working from home and he would spend hours every day speaking to her on the phone- they would call each other constantly throughout the day and it was rarely ever work related. His voice always changed when he spoke to her. He'd speak a lot more quietly, and would sound really flirty and giggled constantly. I'd hear him telling her non-work related things that he hadn't told me about. I felt hurt because it got to the point where he barely said a word to me but would be talking to her all day. Eventually I got really upset and told him how I felt. He reassured me she was just a friend but that he would tone it down. That didn't happen, he just got more secretive about talking to her. One day he went out in the garden to work, and when I went outside he was on his webcam with her. They also continued to have their hours-long conversations but he got sneaky about it. He'd close the door thinking I wouldn't be able to hear, and hide her name on his screen (his work calls come through his laptop and the name displays on the screen). The secrecy of it made me paranoid that there really was something to worry about. Again, after one too many calls listening to them giggling and teasing each other, I got upset but this this time I flipped out and said if we weren't in lockdown I'd be packing my bags (maybe an overreaction). This time he got upset and said there was absolutely nothing going on, he loved me, she was just a good friend etc etc. The next morning he was very loving, constantly reassuring me, apologising that he'd been neglecting me. For a while things got better. He still spoke to her on the phone, but not nearly as much and I started to feel better, until one day I saw Facebook messages from her popping up on his phone. It was a Sunday so I felt a bit pissed off that she was encroaching on our time away from work but I tried not to get upset about it. I know it's bad but I thought I could go on his tablet and look at the messages she'd sent him. However, he has deleted the Facebook app off his tablet. Then last week he got a new phone and has now changed the pin number he has always used (I know at this point I sound like a jealous, paranoid wife but I absolutely swear I never normally check his phone/tablet- I only knew his pin number because it's the same one we use for all our devices. Before all this I completely trusted him and felt no need to check up on him). The other night I saw Facebook messages flashing up from her again and I got cross. He was annoyed and acted like I was being unreasonable, saying he only messaged her 'occasionally' so I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous. Last night I managed to get into his Facebook account on his old phone (he doesn't know I did this. He'd deleted the app but when I downloaded it again, the login information had been saved). I read all the messages, even though it took me a couple of hours (there were that many). At first I felt reassured as there was nothing to suggest they've had any kind of inappropriate contact. However, the sheer volume of messages is unbelievable. I'm lucky to get a reply when I message him, but for the past couple of months, they've literally messaged each other from first thing in the morning to late into the night, all day every day (so much for toning it down- he's just got another way to contact her). The messages were pretty much daily before that, although there weren't as many. She sends him selfies (again, nothing inappropriate but wtf is she sending my husband photos of herself?). There are messages from him late at night asking if she's out (I assume those are from when he's been on nights out and wants to meet her). There was one night when he and I were both out with our friends separately and had arranged to meet later in the evening. There are messages to her that night asking if she was out, while at the same time he was also messaging me arranging when/where we were going to meet (I'm assuming he was trying to find out if he could meet up with her first). He talks to her about pretty much every aspect of his personal life, telling her all kinds of silly little things- the kids, his hobbies, friends of his she hasn't even met, funny things that have happened in his day etc but he never mentions me at all. There's lots of teasing each other, some mild sexual banter although nothing terrible and not about each other. He teases her about how many admirers she has at work, how many of the guys (and girls apparently) fancy her. There are messages asking her if she wants to go to gigs (this is really hurtful as he goes to lots of gigs but rarely asks me to go). One of the gigs he asked her to go to was one I'd told him about but he didn't invite me to go. He sends her cute animal memes and videos. If I send him something funny, he never responds but he has forwarded loads of the stuff I've sent him to her (no personal messages, just funny memes and videos I've sent him). I don't know if I'm being petty but I'm just so hurt by it. I've never contacted any of my close friends nearly to the extent that he contacts her, and they only met each other last year! I do believe nothing physical has happened between them as I think it's impossible to message each other so much without making any reference to it, but I can't help but think there are definitely feelings there. I'm going out of my mind with anxiety and today I feel so low. I just want to get away and try to get my head together but obviously with the lockdown, that's not possible. Am I overreacting and being paranoid? Or am I right to be hurt? I honestly don't know what to think right now, my head is all over the place. I feel like this is all I think about now and I just want to be happy again 😔

OP posts:
CrystalTipped · 01/05/2020 15:48

I apologised and said I didn't want him to end his friendship with her, it's my problem and I need to learn to deal with it and stop being jealous

I bet he loved to hear that...

He's having an affair. Don't apologize for having feelings. Whether they've jumped into bed together yet or not is almost irrelevant given the way they compulsively have to be in contact with each other.

He told you they only messaged occasionally. You have proof to the contrary. Ask him to tell you what is going on. (And expect for him to lie and gaslight but his body language might give him away.)

I understand many people would be hesitant to walk away in these circumstances, but at least you can be forewarned. Start thinking about how to protect yourself and the children if he does come to you one day and say "you don't make enough time for me anymore" or some other classic from "1001 ways to leave your family for another woman and make your wife feel guilty at the same time".

StuffYouAllInTheCrust · 01/05/2020 15:55

Not acceptable at all OP. I bet he’s carrying his phone around everywhere with him too?

I’m sure you’ll hear at some point ‘but she’s a lesbian!’

The game is up, sorry OP. I know how hard this is Flowers

Silentplikebath · 01/05/2020 15:55

I’m wondering if your DH works for the same company as my DH. If so, everybody knows about their ‘secret‘ close friendship and think he’s making a fool of himself!

whipdido · 01/05/2020 15:55

I wasn't married at the time as I was much younger but I was with someone this is how it started to the man I did marry. We could not stop messaging, phoning when on nights out and eventually I left my boyfriend for him as I was falling for him and wanted to be with him.

copycopypaste · 01/05/2020 15:56

He's sidelined his relationship with you to put all his time and emotional energy into her.

I'm sorry OP, my exh had an 'emotional affair' we tried to start again and get back what we had, but I could never get past his capacity for deceit. The sneaking around, the illicit phone calls, the fact he'd happily see me upset and still carry in, I'd have apologied for being jealous and paranoid - sound familiar?

WiddlinDiddlin · 01/05/2020 15:58

If he were investing this much time into a male friendship, it would STILL be inappropriate.

He is neglecting you, emotionally, to invest time into a friendship.

He is being grumpy and arseholey with you, because he is putting all his energies into this friendship.

So even before the lying and deception.. this isn't ok.

VenusTiger · 01/05/2020 15:58

No you are not being unreasonable, or paranoid or jealous @Smm7 and this: but he never mentions me at all screams volumes!! He talks about EVERY aspect of his life OP - you are a major aspect, so why are you missing? It's pretty obvious why. Sorry OP.
Have it out with him (after you've screenshot all those messages)

Rathersexyfortysomethingblonde · 01/05/2020 16:04

Absolutely non acceptable OP. Out out out.

HedgehogHotel · 01/05/2020 16:04

He treating her and replying to her like she's the wife, he treating you and replying to you like your an inconvenience, he's putting the relationship he has with her over the one he has with you.

You asked him to stop and he didn't, you then asked him to stop again and told him how's it's making you feel and he still hasn't stopped.

I agree with above poster that a 15 year relationship isn't something to throw away ( even though that's what he's doing ) and I appreciate that it's difficult to even think about untangling your life from his so sit him down and explain he's on his last strike ( the other two were you asking him to stop) and unless he stops this affair that he's having ( make no mistake it is an affair ) you will be asking him to leave, his reaction will tell you everything you need to know !

I agree with this. He's cheating on you emotionally. He's using up all his time and energy and mental space on another woman. All of it. You're just there to watch the kids, clean the house, do his laundry and cook I imagine. Because he certainly doesn't give a shit about you!

I'd pack him a duffel, too, and put it in front of him when you have he conversation. Tell him if he thinks he can get even sneakier than he already has after your first 2 conversations, rather than cut contact and focus on his marriage to you, he can leave now. And point out there's no way he'd think it was acceptable if you were potting all your time and energy like that into chatting and sending pics to another man, especially after lying about it to his face.

He's cheating ... and hoping it will become physical when it can.

Poppi89 · 01/05/2020 16:05

@Franticbutterfly - that's why I said I was going to say you're being unreasonable at first because the conversations weren't private and he was openly speaking to her in front of her - which says there's nothing more than a friendship so I wouldn't have been worried but now he is starting to be sneaky that's when I would start thinking it's not right.

FizzyGreenWater · 01/05/2020 16:09

I wouldn't even bother with any more conversations.

He's killed the marriage. He's treated you appallingly and he could try and make it up to you until the cows come home but it wouldn't change anything. This is a long-term affair now: whether 'just' emotional or already physical hardly matters - he's rubbed your nose in his intense relationship with another woman, and showed you JUST how much he's enjoying it and JUST how little he gives a fuck for long enough I think.

I'd simply get all the financials in place before he knows you're going to divorce him - steal a march on him there- and then tell him it's over. Not an affair? Just a friend? Fine, anything you say. Still want a divorce. Oh and yes I've already got a solicitor in place and no use now trying to hide accounts and cash and pension details - I've already got them all.

VenusTiger · 01/05/2020 16:09

He's hiding you from her and her from you - ask why that is? Innocent friendships aren't a secret!

Feedingthebirds1 · 01/05/2020 16:13

@Smm7 - I'm sorry if all the replies aren't what you wanted to hear. I kind of get the feeling that really you wanted to be told that you were being unreasonable and that there was nothing to be worried about. But those of us who aren't emotionally invested in this can see what's happening in a way that you'd possibly rather not.

Please listen to all the PPs who have been unanimous, and plan your next move.

bloodyhellsbellsx · 01/05/2020 16:14

Absolutely inappropriate. I’d be devastated and thinking it’s the end of my marriage.

mckiwi07 · 01/05/2020 16:15

This is exactly what happened with my exH, they were just 'friends' and I was paranoid. He has now left me and has admitted to a physical as well as an emotional affair. I'm really sorry.

LouHotel · 01/05/2020 16:18

There really is nothing to add here, I hope you get the chance to gather your thoughts and to clearly make a decision on whether your happy to be in this marriage.

He may never view how he’s been as inappropriate and equally may gaslight you in to saying you are at fault for looking at his messages - please continue saying to yourself that you are not wrong, this is not ok.

Talkingmouse · 01/05/2020 16:27

I’d say a high chance they are already physical (change of phone & pin). Either way, awful. Get evidence and plan your exit.

YappityYapYap · 01/05/2020 16:27

Things in this scenario that are crossing the line:

The volume of messages.
The recent secrecy.
Her sending photos of herself.
The sexual banter.
Asking her to go to gigs that he doesn't invite you to.
Commenting on her appearance, anything more than 'you've stopped wearing glasses, did you get laser eye surgery?' or 'you looked happy today' is over the line for work colleagues.

He's an idiot man that has gotten caught up in a stupid emotional affair with a younger woman at work. He isn't the first and won't be the last but the more women that tolerate this behaviour from their husbands, the longer it will go on. He probably thinks she really fancies him but in reality, she wants an ego boost and he's letting his marriage go down the toilet over an ego boost. What a prat

Bibijayne · 01/05/2020 16:27

I've been the naive younger woman who thinks someone just wants to be friends when they message like that. Literally clueless. And then they've made a pass and I've had to extracate myself. You can have close friendships and there be nothing going on. But the level of conversation and his being secretive tell you that he is emotionally invested and infatuated to a point where it is inappropriate.

catspyjamas123 · 01/05/2020 16:34

You spied on his FB? That’s controlling. That’s how people would see it the other way around. It makes no difference what’s in the messages when it comes to divorce. Nobody cares who’s to blame.

Olgathebrickshed · 01/05/2020 16:37

OP, I have been on the other side of this - namely I was the one who was involved with another man. I did all the things your husband is doing - endless messaging (never about anything sexual between us - always funny things, telling one another what we were up to, discussing stuff that was bothering us, etc, etc, etc). My XH got fed up with my text alerts bleeping endlessly (this was pre-smartphones, ipads etc), so I just switched the sound off and carried on doing what I was doing. I set up a separate email address just so I could communicate with the OM. I used to "go for a walk" or "go to the supermarket" so I could message/ring him. I never referred to my XH in any of these conversations or messages - it was as if he didn't exist.

It doesn't mean this is true of your husband, but over the course of this messaging etc, I fell completely and madly in love with OM.

XH did once get angry about it (he said I was more married to the OM than I was to him), and I told him he was imagining it. Classic gaslighting.

There the comparison ends, as there were many complicated factors (horrendous ones) which created a fertile ground for me to be interested in someone else - and it certainly doesn't sound as if that's the case with your marriage.

Whatever you decide to do, I think it would be fair to assume that your husband sees her as more than a casual friend. My XH never really challenged me, beyond grumbling about it. I'm not sure what I would have done, had he given me an ultimatum.

Though, as I say, the overall situation was different, and ended with me giving him an ultimatum instead.

Devoilmum · 01/05/2020 16:39

@Silentplikebath - that’s probably my ‘DH’! Swears blind no-one knows.

OP, I found flirty messages last summer. He swore it was messing around, banter. The messages were frequent but really only a few words or gifs. Nothing on the level you’re talking about.

Fast forward and my calling his bluff as I couldn’t get any hard evidence- he admitted he’s been sleeping with her for 4 months. Maybe it’s longer but they definitely spent months building up to it.

Yallreadyforthis · 01/05/2020 16:39

He's normalised and twisted his behaviour one step at a time, until you are apologising for minding?

He's lying to you, being secretive, and disrespectful.

OP
Yoh can draw your boundaries wherever you like. You'll probably never catch him red handed, which is hard- self doubt creeps in, and he's using that to piss all over you and your marriage.

summerfruitssquash · 01/05/2020 16:40

Just reiterating other posters, OP. A definite emotional affair. I’m so sorry and I hope that you find the strength to leave someone who doesn’t respect you.

costco · 01/05/2020 16:42

Someone who acts like that does not want to be with you. If he says he does it's only to make himself feel as he's not the one making the decision ("my wife left me, no idea why, poor me, ah well we weren't suited"). V sad though!