What impact will the current health issue have on vaccine hesitant/refusing parents?

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You would hope that those who are vaccine hesitant or refuse vaccinations for their children will now understand what happens when a diseases is out of control and in desperate need for a preventative vaccination.

Do you think after this is over, it will improve vaccination uptake?

Or do you think those who refuse the MMR etc will also refuse the idea of covid19 vaccination and carry on as usual?

I'm currently writing a dissertation on vaccine uptake (or lack-thereof) so this really interests me. I really look forward to the literature that comes out over the next few years to show how things have (or have not!) changed.

To put my own thoughts in, I think eventually it will improve general childhood vaccination uptake.

I think they'll carry on refusing it for their usual reasons but with an added slice of tin-foil hattery considering all the Bill Gates, microchips, manufacturer virus conspiracy theories floating around.

Oh God I haven't even heard those.

I'm out the loop there.

I listened to a podcast hi h described anti vaccine thought as a middle class, western obsession and they're right. People living in shanty towns or refugee camps and see people dying of cholera or TB recognise vaccinations as life saving.

Maybe a few of the hardcore will change their minds. But the self obsessed 'big pharma" conspiracy theorists and the people who put their belief in the hands of charlatan reiki healers and homeopaths are too deluded to alter their thinking.

All my kids are vaccinated but we won’t be having a rushed covid 19 vaccine

I doubt it will. The disease doesn’t seem to affect children much so I don’t see why this would do anything but encourage that viruses are a healthy and normal part of childhood view.

According to them

Bill gates created the virus because he is a eugenics believer the virus serves several purposes

Population control
Death of the weak and undesirable (not my words here just to clarify)
A vaccine that will make billions
And he will be micro chipping us all by the vaccine
It will give the government control of its citizens as they have already changed the law to force people to vaccinate

You should really really go on facebook and ask but prepare to be saved prayed for and "educated"

All my kids are vaccinated but we won’t be having a rushed covid 19 vaccine

You won't have to. Take-up will be high I should imagine leading to good herd immunity so thankfully your children will be protected by other people.

I think a lot of the vaccine sceptic who are a bit fearful will fear coronavirus more and get vaccinated.

There's nothing to be done about the hardcore pro-plague types who simply won't believe that COVID-19 is a particularly virulent strain of coronavirus, thinking instead it's a part of some conspiracy.

And then there are some people who are fully aware that these diseases kill but somehow think that's more 'natural' so we should just put up with high death rates from communicable diseases. They won't get vaccinated either.

Then there are those who've previously supported vaccinations but perhaps have a seed of doubt who will unilaterally decide that a COVID-19 vaccine is unsafe but its development has been expedited.

It will be interesting to see whether the first group is larger than the last and what effect that will have on overall rates.

I don't think it will significantly increase uptake amongst those currently not wanting their DC to have the MMR vaccine.

Presumably covid vaccine is against one disease whereas MMR is against 3 diseases. It won't change the minds of those who argue for individual vaccines who believe the MMR can overwhelm a child's system.

If there are people who are against all vaccines they might be persuaded to have one against Covid though.

There are people who believe that children aren't affected at all so they wont see why they should be vaccinated just to protect old people and people who will die anyway

I stay as far away from those people as I can

I would be hesitant about the new vaccine because I would be worried about proper controlled longterm studies on it. Some people who are aginst the mmr aren,t against single vaccines. Your assuming everyone every one is avoiding for the same reasons.

All my children are vaccinated. I am not sure how I feel about a vaccine (if we get one) that has been developed so quickly. I don’t think it is wrong to question what happens when it goes wrong (because for some it will) and what potential medium and long term issues might be (which we can’t know yet). Will these outweigh the immediate threat this virus poses globally? On balance, I am pretty sure I will be glad to be vaccinated but I am 50, not 15.

Your assuming everyone every one is avoiding for the same reasons.
Is this aimed at me?
I've made no assumptions at all about the reasons people choose not to vaccinate. Whether it because they are grouped together or because they think it causes autism, it doesn't make a difference. An unvaccinated child is an unvaccinated child. If the MMR combined is their only option and they have refused it, then I wonder if they will change their mind after all this.

The disease doesn’t seem to affect children much
But asthma does.

However you're missing my point entirely.
This isn't about whether they will or will not take up the covid-19 vaccination. This is whether it will change their opinion on all vaccinations, once they see what happens when a disease is out of control.
And really understand the point of vaccinations and not hide their refusal behind the fact that they actually work.

There are now talks about TBC vaccine protecting against harsh coronavirus symptoms. Eastern Europe has reportedly less deaths and seriously ill than some countries where the vaccine wasn't compulsory. With some exceptions. Interesting thought there. I wonder what will come out of it

You would hope that those who are vaccine hesitant or refuse vaccinations for their children will now understand what happens when a diseases is out of control and in desperate need for a preventative vaccination.

You're assuming these people are of average intelligence. They're not, they're a thick as mince. So normal logic doesn't apply.

There is still a,lot of scepticism about the MMR because of the perceived autism link ,I know it was discredited and I have a child with severe autism and learning disabilities who is fully vaccinated ,and I absolutely know the MMR didn't cause his autism ,but on many of the autism groups I am on or have been this comes up in discussion a lot .

Well, given that there is no logic to their refusal to vaccinate their children with all available existing vaccinations I can't see them rushing to vaccinate for Covid19.

I have vaccinated my first child but not my second.

I will admit that the current situation has challenged me. I still don’t know what I’d do as a vaccine is still hypothetical. It is healthy to be challenged and constantly check yourself and your beliefs especially around something so controversial. I am not a staunch anti vaxxer and I have my reasons for not vaccinating my second child. I am in that community and many of my and my partners family are not vaccinated.

I don’t talk about this on mn very often so please don’t all jump on me.

Most of the anti-vaccine crowd will become even more entrenched in their position. They are convinced that this is a man-made virus deliberately released and controlled by 5G (the "plandemic") in order to make vaccination mandatory and ID chip us all.

Sadly it is making them even less trusting of medicine, science, government vaccine schedules etc.

I have to say that I would have some strong feelings about being unvaccinated when my sibling was... Especially if i actually caught the preventable illness...

You can’t fix stupid , I don’t think this will make them think any different ,sadly

There are now talks about TBC vaccine protecting against harsh coronavirus symptoms. Eastern Europe has reportedly less deaths and seriously ill than some countries where the vaccine wasn't compulsory. With some exceptions. Interesting thought there. I wonder what will come out of it

I wonder if TBC might come back onto the vaccine schedule or if there will be a vaccination programme for it as a bridging measure until there is a CV19 vaccine, or as a mitigation measure to reduce the instance of severe symptoms in the case that there is never a CV19 vaccine. I guess it'll all depend on what the research says about it lessening the risk of it severe symptoms and how quickly it can be manufactured as I understand stocks of it are low.

I'm not a vaccine refuser my children have all there mmr etc however I'm a flu jab refuser , my grandad had a bad flu jab and was very ill and ended up in a wheelchair part time , he died when I was 14 so I don't know the ins and outs and I can't remember exactly so I can't say what happened but he was ill for years and did get sizeable.compensation , so I absolutely wouldn't let my children have one and my husband very good freind is a biochemist and he was really against the swine flu vaccine as it wasn't tested enough .. id rather continue shielding than have a jab that hasn't been tested for .long enough , it takes years to find side effects for these things x

I don't think this will change peoples minds about vaccines - the biggest benefit of vaccination programs is the overall immunity it gives to the community as a whole. People who are anti-vaccines really don't care about that. The pandemic won't change that mindset, unfortunately.

I have always believed that vaccination should be made a requirement for school attendance. And I would say the same about the Covid vaccine whenever it comes out - it's not fair to put teachers at risk otherwise.

The BCG vaccine and possible connection to Covid 19 is interesting. All the evidence I've seen is purely epidemiological but it's quite strong. It's possible that countries that have had blanket BCG immunization programs just have better healthcare systems, but looking at the countries it seems unlikely and looks like there is something else going on. I've not seen any scientific evidence for it though. It will be interesting to see the results of the trials looking into this.