Page 5 | What impact will the current health issue have on vaccine hesitant/refusing parents?

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/04/2020 14:24

If I believed a vaccine was more risky than the disease, I wouldn't have it. So far this has never happened. But it might.

A vaccine where the side effects came even close to the effects of the disease would never be released.

Maybe like that awful Paltrow film, those who agree to the vaccine get a bracelet and they get to shop, go to work, go to school. The anti-vaxxers can stay in lock down.

BoingBoingyBoing · 30/04/2020 14:28

"That’s fine as long as you don’t expect people who don’t want the vaccine until they have had their concerns addressed to have it anyway."

Just keep on staying inside and we don't have a problem.

bumbleymummy · 30/04/2020 14:32

Wow, really don’t want to live in a world where every vaccine could be made mandatory and people have to wear ID bracelets to move freely. Do people actually think that sounds good?

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/04/2020 14:35

Do people actually think that sounds good?

God no I think it sounds dreadful. But I also think infecting vulnerable people with a virus we have a vaccine for is dreadful. Willfully creating a public health crisis is dreadful.

I mean the measles outbreaks have been horrifying and anti-vax parents still bang on about their children's right to be in childcare settings, infecting other children.

Anyway, it's only until either herd immunity, or a vaccine that the delicate flowers deem safe enough even though people with actual qualifications will have known that for months.

echt · 30/04/2020 14:40

You would hope that those who are vaccine hesitant or refuse vaccinations for their children will now understand what happens when a diseases is out of control and in desperate need for a preventative vaccination.Do you think after this is over, it will improve vaccination uptake?

Nah, they're thick as pig shit. You can't argue with stupid.

mrpumblechook · 30/04/2020 15:46

But I thought the whole point was that a certain number of people need to be vaccinated otherwise it will be worthless on a population level. I expect enough people will want it that that won’t be an issue, but if they don’t, then what?

It won't be pointless because unlike live vaccines such as the MMR those that are particularly vulnerable to the disease will be able to have it and so will still be protected i.e. like the flu vaccine. The lack of herd immunity will mainly effect those who haven't had the vaccine.

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HowFurloughCanYouGo · 30/04/2020 15:51

I'm currently writing a dissertation on vaccine uptake (or lack-thereof)

Bill Gates, microchips, manufacturer virus conspiracy theories floating around.

Oh God I haven't even heard those.

WOW.....

Wow? Funnily enough out of all the academic, peer reviewed articles I've been reading through over the last 6 months (and fuck me, there have been a LOT), not one of them mentioned Bill gates, microchips, or covid-19 related conspiracy theories.

So WOW me all you want, can you show me the academic research that I'm missing?

Wow, thank.

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DeeCeeCherry · 30/04/2020 15:54

I don't think it will make any difference.

I'm not vaccine resistant, we as a family are all vaccinated. I don't want the Covid-19 vaccine however. I'm not comfortable with the idea nor that it would be at least 90% effective. Not a conspiracy theorist either, just a gut feeling it may be more dangerous than helpful, I'd need to see very strong evidence that it's working.

Not British. Back home yes some vaccination schemes work but over here you aren't told about the catastrophes - and there are many. Your news is heavily sanitised.

mrpumblechook · 30/04/2020 15:59

I don't want the Covid-19 vaccine however. I'm not comfortable with the idea nor that it would be at least 90% effective. Not a conspiracy theorist either, just a gut feeling it may be more dangerous than helpful, I'd need to see very strong evidence that it's working.

Wow! The vaccine doesn't even exist yet and you already know that it's going to be dangerous.

DappledThings · 30/04/2020 15:59

Wow? Funnily enough out of all the academic, peer reviewed articles I've been reading through over the last 6 months (and fuck me, there have been a LOT), not one of them mentioned Bill gates, microchips, or covid-19 related conspiracy theories

But reasons for not taking up vaccines aren't found in research but on social media etc. It doesn't make any sense for you to be researching why people don't take up vaccines and to not be aware of the biggest conspiracy theories about vaccines.

Hence the WOW. Which wasnt mine but was also my reaction.

Brogley · 30/04/2020 16:02

over here you aren't told about the catastrophes - and there are many

Which catastrophes would these be? We have access to world news via the internet.

DeeCeeCherry · 30/04/2020 16:42

Wow! The vaccine doesn't even exist yet and you already know that it's going to be dangerous

^mrpumble my comment doesn't say any of that. At all. As you can clearly see.

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HowFurloughCanYouGo · 30/04/2020 16:56

But reasons for not taking up vaccines aren't found in research but on social media etc. It doesn't make any sense for you to be researching why people don't take up vaccines and to not be aware of the biggest conspiracy theories about vaccines.

They discuss social media, they discuss the input and some discuss conspiracy theories, big pharma for example.

But the bill gates and microchipping?

No there haven't been any academic papers on that.

Perhaps I should jack in now, I'm clearly not reading enough social media to pass my degree.

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DappledThings · 30/04/2020 17:01

Perhaps I should jack in now, I'm clearly not reading enough social media to pass my degree. hmm

Surely writing a PhD involves your own research, not just reading other existing academic papers. Just seems a bit odd to be writing about a modern phenomenon without being aware of one of the biggest current facets of it.

GrumpyHoonMain · 30/04/2020 17:08

There have been a lot of parents who haven’t bothered to turn up to vaccination appointments locally according to my GP, despite constant reassurances and even offers to do them at home. She fully expects there to be a mini M/M/R epidemic and said vaccine refusers (or vaccine can’t be botherers) often need to see a real threat to their own kids before they change their minds.

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HowFurloughCanYouGo · 30/04/2020 17:17

Surely writing a PhD involves your own research, not just reading other existing academic papers.

I'm not writing a PhD, I'm writing an undergraduate dissertation in form of a literature degree. So it quite literally is reading existing academic papers....

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mrpumblechook · 30/04/2020 17:20

my comment doesn't say any of that. At all. As you can clearly see.

Okay you just said that you had a "gut feeling" that it would be more dangerous than helpful. Amazing how your gut tells you this about something that doesn't exist yet.

boylovesmeerkats · 30/04/2020 17:23

I don't think so, there isn't much logic involved and I'd they come through covid unscathed it's just further proof that they never needed a vaccine.

TabbyMumz · 30/04/2020 17:32

"I know very well educated people who have chosen not to vaccinate."
Sometimes, people are so clever, they are actually a bit thick.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/04/2020 18:30

Primary sources always. Even in undergrad.

DeeCeeCherry · 30/04/2020 18:34

Okay you just said that you had a "gut feeling" that it would be more dangerous than helpful. Amazing how your gut tells you this about something that doesn't exist yet

mrpumble That's better - Yep, that's what I said. In answer to the OP. Which is not about you.

Eeyoresstickhouse · 30/04/2020 18:41

I just wish we could refuse them entry in childcare and state schools for anti vaxxers.

This won't change their minds. Measles has an R=12 and people still refuse the MMR. When they hear this "only" has an R=1 they will think it's nothing. As usual they rely on the herd to keep their family safe. Ignoring the fact if everyone did what they did that many people would be left disabled or dead. Selfish bastards.

user127819 · 30/04/2020 19:19

I don't think the priority for vaccination will be children (other than vulnerable children), so I doubt it will be a decision for most parents for some time anyway.

Yes, I would imagine those who refuse MMR etc will refuse this vaccine. People who refuse vaccines do so because they are genuinely afraid of the consequences. We may not agree with them, but they don't refuse them for the fun of it, so they aren't going to suddenly change their minds just because there's a new disease around.

I wish posters wouldn't lump the vaccine hesitant in the same category as ideological anti-vaxers. They are not the same, and that kind of stigmatisation only creates more anti-vaxers (because people are afraid to ask questions and voice real concerns about vaccines, so they go online and turn to pseudo science).

quarantinevibes · 30/04/2020 19:38

We’re all vaccinated and kids up to date however, I won’t be rushing for the newly developed covid vaccine. What about the people who had the SARS one and were compensated after for the terrible side effects it had on them?

DesignedForLife · 30/04/2020 19:46

Go read the comments on Facebook when any major news channel say something about vaccine. You’ll have a massive insight into just how crazy some people are. Apparently it’s all Bill Gates fault and he wants to control us all.