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To have smacked my child

162 replies

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 00:22

I've name changed for this because I'm ashamed of myself and will make no excuses for my behaviour. I suppose I'm looking for somebody to tell me I'm not the terrible person I believe I am but am prepared to be told otherwise.

On Saturday I smacked my three year old on the arm, it didn't leave a mark but it was hard enough that it made him cry and shocked him.

I have always been very "anti smacking" yet lost control of myself in the heat of the moment.

The reason it happened (but not an excuse) is because he was lashing out and bit his one year old sibling on the arm hard enough to leave deep teeth marks which are still visible today. I was exhausted and frustrated and lost control.

He has forgotten all about it but the guilt is eating me up.

I want to go and get him out of bed and bring him in with me just so I can hold him, love him and make amends for what I've done. (I won't because he's sleeping, but the urge is strong)

I haven't told DH because I'm a hypocrite, when discussing discipline pre children I made a blanket rule that we would never use physical punishment. DH thinks there is nothing wrong with a tap on the hand whereas I disagreed so made him promise never to do that.

Am I the scum of the earth or is this something you've done too in the heat of the moment?

I hate myself.

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BrooHaHa · 27/04/2020 13:24

'No!' isn't terribly specific. How sure are you that he understands what he's being told off for? I'd at least go with, 'No biting!'

Do look into a parenting book. Maybe, 'How to talk so kids will listen'? I've heard that praised a lot on here. Mine is something like, 'What great parents do' but I can't remember the exact wording.

BrooHaHa · 27/04/2020 13:26

*I'd at least go for, 'No biting people' presuming he understands what 'people' means

Kalifa · 27/04/2020 13:38

Some of you say never hit a child in anger. So is it better to hit them in a cold calculated manner when you are not even angry?

nanbread · 27/04/2020 13:38

Get a play pen or a travel cot OP. Then when you need to turn your back put baby in there.

You could even put baby in the (empty) bath if he can't get in it.

Chewies sound like a good idea too.

bruce43mydog · 27/04/2020 13:38

Unfinishedsymphon

Maybe it didn't damage you which is brilliant for you

But studies have been done that prove that if it is done long term then it does damage a child.

And it happened to me a lot growing up and I can say yes it does damage your mental health.

But luckily op has realised she handled it wrong and will now find a better way of dealing with her sons behaviour.

Mistakes can happen by parents sometimes but as I said above as long as it never happens again op won't have done any damage.

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 27/04/2020 13:57

I am not a mum so don’t have experience of this. I’m agreeing with @WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo said at the top of the thread.

I know it isn’t great to smack but after watching two young girls getting screamed at (the absolute works) in the street today for being too slow, as a child I’d have preferred a tap or small smack. (I say this as someone who was smacked as a child and had far worse as an adult)

It was awful to hear. I was a good distance away and just saw the little souls cower and melt into their boots.

Op, you know it wasn’t great and it was instinct and not malice. I know some will hate me for this I think what I witnessed earlier was far, far worse than a small tap Sad

peoplewhoannoyyou · 27/04/2020 14:02

You should discuss it with your husband, it would be terrible if you hid it through shame. As for the smacking, don't worry too much about it, it's just one of those things. You shouldn't have done it, the child shouldn't have bitten the sibling.

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 15:44

I've told DH, he was shocked given my firm "no smacking" stance. He has echoed what most here have said, let it go it was a one off and we will combine efforts to get the biting under control

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magicfarawaytrees · 27/04/2020 16:04

I’ve not read the whole thread OP but you are totally normal.

I’ve done it twice with my eldest (not proud).

The first time she nearly threw both herself and me down a full flight of full steps by full on tantrumming in my arms. I managed to somehow turn around on the step 180 degrees to stop us both falling. We’d have broken bones at the least. She was 3.

The second time she was 4. I was locking up my front door on my house at the time. Whilst I did this she ran the full length of the street towards the very busy main road at the end. I had to drop my bag, leave the keys in the door and sprint to grab her as she was just about to run straight into the main road where there were cars driving at 40mph. I managed to grab her around 3 feet away from doing this.

Both times I felt like shit for weeks about it. Needless to say she is now 9 and a very happy kid (touch wood). It’s not brought up in conversation between us but I wouldn’t deny doing it or minimize it. I did something similar to my mum (going for her on our house steps) and she smacked me then. Needless to say I’ve never held a grudge and totally get why she snapped!

staceyflack · 27/04/2020 16:30

What @LouiseCollina said 💐

Rentacar · 27/04/2020 19:21

Honestly, don't beat yourself up. It sounded like an instinctive reaction to.your baby getting bitten. I'm sure you won't do it again.

If you've said sorry to your son, move on.

If you think he has additional needs then the biting might be sensory. Perhaps get him a chewigem necklace for him to bite. That might stop the need for him to bite people.

Dipi79 · 27/04/2020 20:25

I'm very much an advocate of PACE parenting, but I lost my temper and slapped my toddler once. It was right that I felt guilty and ashamed, as I lost control. It wasn't my usual parenting style at all, so I did some work on myself and my parenting. We human, we make mistakes. Take learning from this and move on. X

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 20:54

Thank you for letting me know I'm not alone in having had a momentary lapse of judgrment, I spent yesterday feeling like a child abuser.

I have ordered DS some chew specific toys this evening. I'm fairly sure that it is sensory related, at least in part.

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BertieBotts · 27/04/2020 21:44

Daween, I would rather children are neither hit OR screamed at for "being too slow", Christ's sake. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Hopefully though what you saw was a snapshot of a parent having a really bad day and not what their lives are like all the time, anyway.

OP everyone makes mistakes, and I agree it sounds like an instinctive reaction. It sounds to me like you dealt with it well in the moment and I agree that it needs to be drawn a line under now, don't go overboard trying to "make it up to him". You did, you apologised, it's OK.

When there are potential development issues, it can help to use a different way of parenting. The typical reward/punishment models do not work when a child is behaving badly not out of choice but because they are lacking some kind of skill relating to their behaviour - for lashing out, it is likely to be the skill of impulse control and/or a tendency to find certain things more unbearable than most people would.

However the other two models often offered as an alternative often fall short as well: Positive parenting (where you reward/praise/encourage the good and ignore the bad) is not enough when you need to protect e.g. a younger sibling, a pet etc. Gentle parenting (where you see behaviour as communication, and generally avoid coercion/hierachical methods in favour of co-operative methods) can often be overly focused on avoiding conflict and lacks good guidance on how to impart boundaries in a situation where the child and/or parent struggles with this. But for me, the huge issue with both methods is that there is a gaping hole where there should be guidance for parents on what to do when you find your own frustration or anger raring up - there is much criticism in the methods for the kinds of things parents resort to when at the end of their tether - shouting and screaming, smacking or other physical roughness, threatening, criticising. And I'm not saying those things aren't bad, because they are. But it means when you're trying very hard to be the perfect positive/gentle parent, those moments when you lose it become this massive taboo that you can't admit to other people, and the result? You never get the chance to learn any skills to manage them.

Reward/punishment works very well when a child is making a simple choice that benefits them, because the reward/punishment serves to re-balance the current situation so that the action they want to do which is destructive (or annoying or mean or whatever) is no longer rewarding for them and they will then make a different choice. When a child continues to behave badly even when there is a clear system of reward and punishment in place, it can mean that either the balance is not right - OR - that the child is not making a choice in that way, that they are unable to act in the way you are expecting them to. When this is the case, it would be like punishing a child who needs glasses because they seem to be refusing to learn how to read. You aren't going to make them able to read by punishing them. The only thing that will help is to correct that deficiency in their vision. It's the same for developmental skills, although unlike vision these can generally be acquired through age and/or teaching.

The sort of "third alternative" then, is a model which is based on clear boundaries but recognises that children's difficult behaviours are not always a conscious choice on their end, supports parents, recognising that these are really challenging things to deal with, and helps children by supporting development of the skills they are lacking until they are able to manage them for themselves. Sounds like some kind of holy grail. I haven't managed to find any one "method" or buzzword for it but for me the methods/authors which fit to this kind of thinking and more importantly seem to work are:

RIE as a parenting method - I follow Janet Lansbury's podcasts on this topic which are free and easily accessible. She also has a book, but I didn't love the book. The podcasts and her articles are better.

The Whole Brain Child/No Drama Discipline - have not actually read this yet, but based on what I've read/seen in terms of reviews, snippets and interviews with the authors, it sounds like a fantastic distilment of everything. In fact I've bolded it because if you have a newborn, you probably don't have time to read lots of things - start here. You can get it on kindle and read during feeds if you have the energy. This is next on my list to read, but I need to decide which one and I try not to keep spending money on books before I have time to read them, so it's waiting for that as well!

The Explosive Child/Dr. Ross Greene - he has a newer book out as well, which sounds even better/more up to date but I don't know anyone who has read it. Also on my list to read.

ABC technique - this stands for Antecedent, Behaviour, Consequence. It's about looking at what triggers your child's behaviour and how you can help them manage it. Consequence does not always involve punishment, although it might. When it does, it's about creating that balance I mentioned earlier, which means that you have to be aware of the child's skill defecits which may be causing them to act a certain way and take these into account, because it is not fair to set a child up to repeatedly fail and suffer a punishment that they are unable to avoid. That is what makes it different from a standard behaviour > consequence approach. It's the A which is important.

BTW, if you do or like the principles behind positive parenting or gentle parenting, these kinds of techniques are very compatible, so I'm not saying that positive parenting or gentle parenting is wrong - there are many many excellent points made by proponents of both discipline styles. I just feel due to personal experience, the above offer a more rounded approach, which works better for children who may not be neurotypical. :) (And also those who probably are neurotypical... but particularly the kinds of children who struggle when faced with "typical" parenting techniques will benefit, I think.)

BertieBotts · 27/04/2020 21:49

Damnit my bold didn't work - well the TL;DR summary: Buy the book No Drama Discipline on kindle and read it in little pieces while you feed the baby.

Also I am glad you are trying the sensory redirection idea, I think you might find it really helps :)

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 22:01

Thank you Bertie, for such a helpful and comprehensive post.

I'm yet to read a parenting book, I have been winging it for the past three years and thought I was doing pretty well until this weekend.

I've decided I will be looking into those resources though and I'll start with the Janet Lansbury podcasts.

I'm also interested in reading The Explosive Child, because that describes my DS to a tee. He is extremely explosive.

We believe the primary reason for him being this way is frustration because he isn't able to communicate his needs or how he's feeling. He's very delayed verbally.

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SunShine682 · 27/04/2020 22:11

Just seen the bite mark on your poor daughters arm. You need to actually look after her properly if you know your son is a biting her constantly instead of smacking him because you weren’t watching properly.

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 22:16

I'm assuming you're a either a troll or not a parent.

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PeanutDouglas · 27/04/2020 22:24

@SunShine682 run out of booze have you?

TrainspottingWelsh · 27/04/2020 22:42

It's not acceptable and there's no excuse, but at the same time every parent fucks up in some way. For something on this scale it's only a problem if it's repeated or when the parent tries to excuse it, and I don't get the impression that's the case here.

I was smacked as a young child both as punishment and sometimes just to vent at something that wasn't at all my fault. And it's not something I can justify as being from an otherwise loving parent. But after the initial shock, the only times I really remember and resent were the times it wasn't deserved, and once when the parent tried to justify it afterwards. So I'd say there's little chance he'll even remember it, and none that he'll be damaged by it.

Summerofloaf · 27/04/2020 23:31

Ideally no smacking but otoh if you watch how puppies or kittens play, if they are too rough they get a nip from a sibling or parent dog/ cat. That’s how they learn what it feels like when they do it to someone else. So there is part of me that is thinking your DS has learned what it feels like when he inflicts a bite and why he shouldn’t do it. Not saying that’s right but it’s interesting to think of it in those terms. Obviously don’t do it again. He probably won’t either.

NotMyUsualNameNoSiree · 27/04/2020 23:39

I've smacked my daughter once too, she bit me, hard (actual pain) and instinctively I smacked her arm. She was shocked, I was shocked, I said "Sorry" I tried to apologise and explain without making excuses (which is hard to do).

I haven't since, I've been really frustrated (and hurt in various ways, usually through carelessness more than viciousness) by her many times since, I've never done it again.

This isn't the beginning of a life-long child-whacking habit, it's a one off because you didn't have the resources to deal with a situation, and you had to make that situation stop.

Don't feel bad, work out other ways to cope when it's all getting too lairy. My preferred option is talking to my daughter like there's a judgemental parenting psychologist in the room with us, to defuse my fury:

"NO, we don't hit people we love, I need you to stop and think about what you're doing". Things like that.

Coffeecak3 · 27/04/2020 23:57

@Summerofloaf I was in a cafe in France and two young boys were winding each other up. Their mum suddenly sharply pulled each boys hair once. The youngest cried but they both behaved and the mum carried on talking to her friend. She certainly wasn't remorseful in the least.

81Byerley · 04/05/2020 13:11

@SunShine682 if you are a parent it must be galling for your friends to have someone so perfect in their midst.

HeckyPeck · 04/05/2020 13:18

Do you hit your husband "in the heat of the moment"?

Damn fucking right I would if he bit a baby!

OP I really don’t think what you did is that bad.

If he bites other kids they’re likely to give him a smack too 🤷🏻‍♀️

You apologised and your son has moved on. You need to too.

He won’t even remember this.