To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

I am def going to if allowances aren’t made for partners who don’t live together

@LakieLady If you like those sorts of books, I'd like to recommend 'My Own Country' by Dr Abraham Verghese. It's about the outbreak of AIDS in America.

There is alsu a series of Yale lectures on Youtube about Epidemic Diseases since 1600 that may be of interest to you www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3AE7B3B6917DE8E6

@MargotB7 I posted earlier with why. But in a nutshell I am pregnant, suffering with HG so basically bed bound. I have a 2.9 DS and DH is working full time from home, looking after him on his own and me where he can.

I qualify as a keyworker, though dont describe myself as one so we have kept DS off nursery. His nursery is now closed anyway.

DH had quite bad depression last year and I am worried about the strain of him doing it all on his own and him going backwards.

I am no help at all with our son at the moment. My parents are fairly young, as in well under 70 and would be happy to have him one or two days a week to help DH.

I dont want to break the rules, but this isnt sustainable for much longer.

And before people have a go at me for being pregnant, I was pregnant before lockdown.

Cantata and Rebelwithallthecause

Interesting, in what way?

"No, I agree with a pp that we need to start to live with this virus *
If lockdown ends soon it will mean many people will die with it not live with it an syhe NHS will be overwhelmed.
Also a second wave will also be bad for the economy and cause even greater anxiety and another lock down

I don't know which option is actually for yes and which is for no lol

I would support a lockdown until the end of May. After that, I'd get a bit frustrated. I think social distancing to some degree will need to be in place until a vaccine is developed e.g a ban of large social gatherings, and vulnerable people to be sheltered, but a lockdown any longer than end of May doesn't seem feasible.

Cantata and Rebelwithallthecause

I'm being a bit thick, you meant you are going going to visit friends and family

Those who say they will start breaking the rules if lockdown continues (and you are at least honest ....lot of people are doing it already but tell themesleves they aren't) are choosing what is best for themselves and not for the country as a whole.

That is what all this comes down to isn't it? Will people follow things that are inconvenient and help the country - which largely means people they don't know and will never know, or will they choose what suits them personally.

We don't have a totalitarian regime that will lock us into our houses and arrest anyone who goes out. It does rely on people complying, but if people are sick of complying and seeing the bigger picture and hear of more and more people who are going out, they too feel justified in breaking the rules with 'but other people are.....' type thoughts.

In the end, we are all responsible for what happens. We will never see the exact consequences of our individual actions, just see the bigger impacts of all our actions. We each have to choose if we will comply with what government tells us is the best way forward or decide to go our own way - whether that's becaue we feel we actually know much better than they do and our idea is better, or if we are honest and say that the gov approach just doesn't suit us and we aren't prepared to put what we want second at this time. That is the basic choice at the moment - so what we want or do what we are told is better for everyone.

FilthyforFirth

Sorry I missed your post. That is awful for you. Yes I think you would need to.

I'm sure the PM's team of experts know better than me. But FWIW, after this period of lockdown I would like to see schools and nurseries reopening, being able to visit close friends and family in their own homes, continuing to socially distance the rest of the time and continuing to WFH where possible, some of the more essential shops reopening.

@WombatChocolate it just isnt that simple for some people. I dont just 'want' to send DS to my parents so I can enjoy a child free day.

I need to help my DH. Is it more acceptable to you if he dies from suicide than the virus?

That's why I say it's simples. It is simply the fact that government is in a stronger position to say what is best for the country than I am.

But they fucked up the initial response, didn’t they? All that flirtation with “herd immunity.” And the U.K. testing per capita is pretty bad. Why trust them now?

I doubt those who say they will start breaking the rules actually will it they would have done so already

More will apply the guidelines to suit their needs this has always happened and happening more often

We are used to freedom many people simply can’t cope with having their lives dictated to such a degree regardless of their personal situation

Probably been said already but the elderly and vulnerable should continue self isolating if they choose. The rest of us need to get out to earn some money before financial worries kill more of us.

If 250,000 upper class twits hadn't gone to some event that might have improved things. Same goes for some Spanish football match

The government could have stopped people attending, but chose not to.

An MP for somewhere near Cheltenham allegedly lobbied in favour of the race meeting going ahead. It has since come out that he had £4k's worth of hospitality from a body that represents bookies.

Quelle surprise.

Cheltenham is not just for upper class. Bus trips from normal villages full of men go for a piss up. Luckily my Husband didn't go this year.

It shouldn't have gone ahead though.

And woman before I get told off.

Filthy, this is a terrible time with loads of hideous costs, many of which we won't know about for years to come.

Of course people face different circumstances and for some people the costs of lockdown are much greater and harder. Many people are starting to feel as if the costs of their elderly parent becoming depressed at home alone, or their business going down the tubes if it doesn't re-open in the next month, or their friend not getting their routine operation which was delayed 5 weeks ago, are too great. Other people find the loneliness of not seeing friends is too great too.

The question is what are the cinsequwnces of the alternatives? If I am told that lifting the lockdown will later cause a rise in Covid deaths, plus a return to lockdown with a 2nd shut down for business which really will ruin a lot more businesses and cause a lot more direct and indirect deaths, than if we stick it out for a bit longer, I am prepared to accept that information and think we all need to. There will be lots of casualties either way, but if we are told that continuing lockdown now, means less casualties overall, I think it's the right choice.

People struggle to se the longer term don't they. They can't see beyond next week or next month when they will be lonely or without a job. What about if it is lifted too soon and the numbers in hospital and deaths rise sharply......and we have all just started getting going again and then we are plunged into lockdown again? Both deaths, social and economic consequences can be much worse second time round and all the costs in ushered first time round are somehow wasted. New don't want the deaths and sacrifices that have happened in this lockdown to be in vain, but to have achieved something surely.

What will happen to people, in dire straits in this lockdown if early removal of it means another lockdown later is needed? The consequences could be far worse. We do have to take the bigger view and I think we have tontrsutbthe government on it. What they do won't be perfect and in hindsight no doubt mistakes will be found - isn't that inevitable and anyone who says a gov cannot and should not make mistakes in these circumstances are idiots.

But can't we all agree that the government does have access to morentonsuppormore N formation and sight of the bigger picture more than any of us an individuals can do?

Its interesting all those saying they need to see people for their mental health but surely that is permissible under the current system where a 'medical need' is a reasonable excuse for being out.
The problem would be the police not believing you if you were stopped.

I vote no

*Are some people actually going to start breaking the rules and visit relatives and friends?

I am, if this goes on beyond next week.
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And me

Unless you haven’t noticed, we’re already borrowing unprecedented amounts of money

Unprecedented in numbers, maybe, but at the end of WW2 the UK's debt was more than double GNP. The debt:GNP ratio didn't get to below 1:1 until well into Thatcher's time as PM, so probably early 80s.

When the UK government can "borrow" money on favourable terms, by selling bonds, and an economy is growing, it's actually quite a sound thing to do. By the time it has to pay it back, it's normally worth a lot less than when they borrowed it.

I think the next three weeks are pivotal, as I think lockdown fatigue is setting in. In these 3 weeks Boris must return and start giving clear guidance, the infection rate must drop (as a consequence of good lockdown behaviours) and testing has to go through the roof for everyone.

Unless there is clear leadership and slow, clearly defined relaxations very soon I can see citizens in the U.K. start to take a "fuck it" attitude which means the worst of all worlds.

Doingitaloneandproud

Why?

I love my Dad. He went on holiday abroad when it all kicked off. I refused to see him when he got back. He was fine for 11 days. Then he became ill. He had all the symptoms for a month, very ill. Mum nearly rang an ambulance twice because of his breathing. He wasn't tested but said he had never been that ill. He is getting better. I've still not seen him.

The question is, why can't people refrain from visiting till after lockdown?

We shall only get the NHS that can be afforded. If no one is working and taxes are not being paid, then It is not affordable

It's such a shame that successive governments have failed to tax profits before people whisk them offshore imo.

The tax on Mrs Philip Green's £1.2bn would have helped a lot, and we might never get the chance to do it again if the retail sector collapses.