To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

I wouldn’t support further lockdown measures but would still expect my mum and in-laws to isolate as they are in vulnerable groups. I think low risk groups need to get back to work/school etc.

Personally I could manage Lockdown for a month or more easily, but I am fortunate enough to have it a lot easier than many, with money still coming in and a good amount of space including outdoor space. In fact it’s doing us good as dh and I usually work long hours (hospitality) so it’s been good for us having some down time and time for quality family time, family meals etc, reviving old hobbies, actually doing some exercise rather than just thinking about it but being too tired.

BUT, I’m really not sure further lockdown would be the best thing for the country as a whole, the economy will take longer to recover, people are suffering with other medical conditions that aren’t being managed or seen to soon enough. And loneliness is a a vary real hardship for many people.

Not to mention the food poverty that will affect so many more hundreds of millions of people in the developing world if we don’t start addressing that now.

I dont have/understand the info to make an informed vote. I (obviously) dont want a much longer lockdown. But also dont want the lockdown lifted at a point that undoes the good of the previous lockdown period as we are paying for it whether it works or not and its daft to sabotage it. The reviews are every 3 weeks i think? So i dont know that its worth thinking in longer time blocks anyway.

• Put funding & physical help into helping those struggling there's plenty that could be done even in a harder lock down There really is•

But it isn't being done. There are women and children at risk, tonight, of death or serious injury and we cannot help them be somewhere safe as long as this continues. That's the reality. Public opinion is that only covid victims matter

You can't blame lockdown for 'it's not being done' it's not like it was fabulous before lockdown us it? There's no additional reason why help cannot be given during lockdown. Fighting for help for these women & children can be done lockdown
Or not.

It is NOT that only CV victims matter at all. Look at the money raised for TheBigNightIn that's not aimed at Corona victims

I would support further lockdown, I actually think it is necessary. I particularly don't think schools should go back until September. I'd love to see my family as I live on my own, and in a flat with no garden....but I'm managing. We have to, for the greater good. I do accept I am lucky I can go for walks down empty country lanes though for my exercise.
We have a very loose lockdown in the UK, in other countries there were curfews, no outdoor exercising and much harsher policing, so I don't think we should be complaining.

Yes - I support it as long as it's necessary.

@Molliemoo10

What I do know is you can't sacrifice people for the sake of the economy

Do you not see that a failing economy will kill people too? Poverty kills people. The 2008 downturn lead to more people dying. However there's not a test for "died of poverty" so people won't be so outraged.

The death toll spiked early April compared to previous years. Even the statisticians and scientists aren't saying all those extra deaths are covid. Some will be suicides, murdered women and children, people who are scared to attend A&E and die from heart attacks etc, people "giving up" because there's nothing to live for.

@AlternativePerspective
"So, people are now advocating for herd immunity? Even though they were shouting down the government a few weeks ago for suggesting it?"

Because it should never have been a government strategy and we should have locked down at the start of March. But now it is what it os and the virus is here and we have to learn to live with it.

@DogInATent
" evidence from the USA that mild infections are leading to strokes in otherwise healthy people in their 30s and 40s with no underlying comorbidity"

It's not being reported elsewhere. The US doesn't recognise obesity as an issue in the way that the rest of the world does. They also play down drug use, so we are yet unable to take that as it's reported. Also air pollution has been linked to higher deaths and very poor outcomes for those that get Covid. Which could be a factor. But then we would be seeing it elsewhere.

DelphicOracle, if mass riots were organised they'd have to listen. The Police couldn't even break up a funeral the other day. There's whole parts of the country that are lawless.

I doubt schools will go back before September. I’m a teacher and have been told as much.

I haven't read the full thread and all your arguments but I have been in strict social distance mode since March 16. There is no way that I am infected and incubating; my household have been equally strict, and so have most of the people I know. Zero cases. So if we were all to keep to small limited groups of trusted friends and acquaintances, for six more weeks, I'd feel happy to re-open society. I wouldn't go on a bus or tube for a bit longer. But I live in deep country so I don't have public transport as an option.

Molliemoo10 why on earth would you be terrified of your children going to school? Judging from the death rates in China, ages 0-7 have a 0% chance of death and 7-18 0.2% (but I imagine most of those were over 11 so not primary aged). Your child is much more likely to be killed walking to school than from coronavirus contracted there!

“ Yes - I support it as long as it's necessary.”

This is meaningless unless you give your definition of necessary

No. Because it puts school staff at heightened risk. Children don't understand social distancing at school. I know. i've seen it. And we've not got the space or ability to support it if they all come back.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

•Loosening lockdown because people are bored/want to see their parents/grandchildren/boyfriend isn't the right thing to do•

That isnt the really the reason for easing lockdown though is it?- the reason is that the country simply doesnt have the money for extended lockdown for months and months. If we dont have the money, we dont have the money. Thats it. The NHS doesnt get funded by a magic money tree- its from our taxes

Those are the reasons people are giving for wanting lockdown to end. That's what people are whinging about.

The financial reasons definitely need considering, but people also need to realise that without lockdown the country would have been financially fucked as covid rampaged through the country. And still will be if it's lifted too soon.

*Some people on here are mental. First they screech that the government isnt doing enough and wants to kill us all by not shutting us into our houses and now they want this lockdown to end as soon as possible!? Make up your bloody minds! It will last as long as they seem fit, but of course people will be moaning either way.
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The government should have done a proper lockdown from the flaming start! We've had a half-assed lockdown with people hanging about in parks and whatever. And now they want to extend it?

Yeah, fuck that. It's easy to say people are selfish when you live in a lively big house, beautiful garden to sunbathe and BBQ in, no kids, full pay. I don't think many people are going to comply past mid May, I'm definitely not.

HedgehogHotel I’m a teacher, I’m aware that children cannot socially distance but it is not the teachers people are worrying about when they say they are too scared to send their children to school! As previously mentioned, the vulnerable should continue to isolate if they wish to and that includes teachers who are vulnerable. There would be more resources to support them if everyone else could work!

I live with extended family, if lockdown was lifted they would have to work. I can't be 'shielded' as such.

So is your plan that no one in your household is going to go to work until a vaccine becomes available? How will you live? What if a vaccine never becomes available?

I'm not 'picking apart your posts' by the way, I'm just asking you questions.

Different people have different circumstances and it's not just a 'if you don't want to risk it don't go out' situation. You are looking at this with a far too simplistic view which I can only imagine is because you and yours would be as ok should the lockdown be lifted.

As I said, on a personal level I would be happy for lockdown to continue. But I know that the country cannot continue lockdown indefinitely for many reasons, it just can't happen.

Definitely!

I don't get how cancer patients would suffer any less if we lifted lockdown and more people succumbed to the virus. Sorry, simply doesn't make sense at all. The reason cancer patients aren't being seen at the moment is not that they aren't allowed out of their houses- you totally are allowed out for medical appointments: it's that resources are being diverted to deal with the victims of the pandemic. How that would get any better with a rise in pandemic victims is anybody's guess.

Also don't get how a change likely to be associated with a sharp rise in infection can be said to restore some kind of normality. I have several friends who have been in and out of hospital with heart trouble, kidney problems etc following corona. These are not frail elderly people but colleagues of mine. They have now been ill for over a month and don't know if they will ever recover their full health. That's not exactly normality for their families and friends. If infection rates spread there will be many, many families for whom there is no normality either because they are in mourning or because they are left with family members who have become longterm invalids.

Being completely honest I would have to break it slightly if it is extended again. I am pregnant, suffering from HG and basically bed bound. I have a 2 year old DS and and DH is working from home full time. He cannot look after DS and me and work full time for months on end. I qualify as a keyworker, though wouldnt describe myself as one, but DS nursery is shut.

DH suffered from bad depression last year and I am worried about him going backwards. If the lockdown is extended again I would have to start sending DS to my parents for respite.

I havent broken the ruls so far, and I dont want to, but I cannot see how our situation can continue much longer.

Personally I would support but only for 2 weeks with an indication of slow end to lockdown. Unbelievably our quality of family life has improved too so I have no problem with another 2 weeks. Actually upset about going back to our normal stress filled lives

Yes absolutely would

I would start to allow things to open I think garden centres for plant seeds sales could be open by next weekend
then people back to work social distancing even if only 50% of workforce at a time
I know people can be at work already if not able to work from home but actively encourage people back especially if work is outside as there does appear to be quite good evidence that spread is less outside get construction started again
then slowly open smaller shops primary schools half the class alternate weeks so children with names A-M one week and N-Z the next ( with minor alterting depending if you have a class with 6 Johns and 4 Chloe's) then 15 & 17 year olds ( taking exams summer 2021)

then larger shops

social distancing to stay in place but groups upto 5-6 then later 10-12
allow weddings and baptisms etc but small limit on numbers (10) just the offical business no parties

in nearly all of europe they are talking about kids going back to school in May albeit not necessarily full time

Yes
Too many people are already not acting like tgey are in lockdown
Doing what they lie a d putting others at risk. Idiots
I think lockdown should be stricter and that we are lucky
I'm not getting bored in the least
I still work-Nhs no change for me
And DH is a keyworker too not nhs though.

To be honest I wouldn't even say we've had a proper lockdown.

We are still free to wander around multiple times a day for various reasons. We can go to as many shops as we like, eat out (if you like icecream trucks and burger vans), go for walls in the woods/park. Also plenty of people are still seeing their family regardless.

Amazed that the number of new cases has fell at all.

Now Spain and Italy, they had an actual lockdown. Their economies will probably bounce back quicker from their short sharp lockdowns.

Our pretend 'lockdown' is going to simmer on and off for months and months, most likely resulting in a higher death toll and a more damaged ecinony in the long term than our neighbours.