To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

If you are in lockdown with ...

Loved ones around you.

No threats to your ability to pay your bills, mortgage, keep food on the table.

Very robust mental health

No complicating factors like other illness/disability/additional needs in your family circle.

Then you need to start acknowledging that privilege and understanding that many other people are in a much worse position than you.

Well said. I am grateful for many small mercies in that regard. Any time in the last ten years, this would have been devastating in a personal sense. But at this point in my life I can cope. My financial situation is pretty much unaffected at this point. Family wise there are no huge disappointments, the wedding and the arrival of a new baby all happened in the few months before covid. My mum and MIL are in care facilities, but my mum isn't bothered whether I visit or not, and my mum's dementia is so advanced that she's barely aware of anyone around her.
I live in a home with a garden on the edge of countryside, and I don't have to worry about keeping children sane and occupied, or about exams.

But I'm so so grateful, and so aware of how difficult it is for others. We cannot ignore all these problems that come with lockdown for the foreseeable future. The costs are going to be too great.

If noone works for the next year there wont BE an NHS to treat ANYONE, let alone people with covid!

I’m getting so frustrated with the (no doubt public sector) workers who won’t engage with this.

Yes, but we need to have separate treatment centres for Covid patients, so our hospitals can get back to treating other illnesses.
What’s the reason for not doing this? Is it a lack of staff?

“ But carry on spreading the myth that the wider British public are not complying with the lock down. ”

Completely agree. Isn’t it great that the government can rely on the British public to blame each other for increased restrictions, rather than question government strategy. Makes things nice and easy for them!

What we can’t do, is lockdown indefinitely

It's been a handful of WEEKS 🙄🤷🏻‍♀️

We have a rather soft and pathetic lockdown compared to other countries like Spain, Italy and China yet we still whinge it’s not good enough. You’re allowed outside to exercise daily and can visit any supermarket you wish, in Spain you have to visit the one closest to your house and that is the only journey you can make. People aren’t even allowed out in their gardens ffs, even children.

We have it easy, we really do. If lockdown ends in two weeks the past six weeks will have been entirely pointless. If lockdown never happened, the death toll would likely be double. Lockdown is the responsible action to take, let’s not be like the USA.

yes i support it but i thought it should have been tougher anyway from the start

Just out of interest, given the huge pressure being placed on the NHS by obesity, would all those calling for an extended lockdown also support enforced lockdown for obese individuals, with only diet food permitted to be delivered to their homes?

We could let them out when their BMI was < 25 and their ask of dying or taking up NHS resources was reduced to a normal level.

It would #SaveLives and #ProtectTheNHS after all...

AmelieTaylor

And how long do you propose it should continue?

It's been a handful of WEEKS

And have you seen the projected Impact on the economy (let alone anything else) if it lasts longer?

NikeDeLaSwoosh

Excellent idea but you'd have to force them to do an hour on the treadmill too. #forthegreatergood and all that

My Dad grew up in a police state and always said he'd rather die than return to one.

No. A balance needs to be found. Lockdown is costing too much in terms of lives, health, wealth & wellbeing.

What do the elderly do who need shopping delivered by someone? Should lockdown be lifted then the people delivering their shopping will have been in contact with many more people than they would've during lockdown, the likelihood of them carrying the virus will much, much larger. Same for tradesmen should the elderly or vulnerable need them they will have been in contact with more people thus increasing the likelihood of being a carrier, and on and on.

This is exactly what people don't realise. The vulnerable can't exist in a vacuum. They will have to come into contact with people, such as tradesmen, delivery drivers, doctors/nurses/dentists/opticians, and even those self isolating may want to actually get out for socially distanced exercise etc. If everyone else is living a normal life, they'll be passing around the virus and the vulnerable will catch it, either from the inevitable close contact (delivery drivers and tradesmen are hardly likely to be wearing full PPR just because they're coming to a vulnerable persons' house), and there may be traces of covid on parcels, prescription packets, post, shopping etc.

When everyone is on lockdown, the vulnerable are actually pretty safe, but when it returns to a free for all, the vulnerable are going to be VERY exposed, even if they stay locked in their homes in isolation, simply because everyone else will be living normal lives again without precautions.

If lockdown ends in two weeks the past six weeks will have been entirely pointless

So, on this basis- how much longer do you suggest we stay locked down? another month? 2 months? 3 months? The virus isnt going anywhere is it? whenever we end lockdown infections will rise. The oil difference will be that if we ease lockdown after a longer time period our economy will be more damaged. You are aware that the whole point of lockdown was to flatten the peak- not get rid of the virus right?

Just out of interest, given the huge pressure being placed on the NHS by obesity, would all those calling for an extended lockdown also support enforced lockdown for obese individuals, with only diet food permitted to be delivered to their homes?

Looking at pictures/videos of NHS workers, they'd have no workforce if the obese were locked inside their homes and unable to go to work.

Molliemoo10 deliveries are now done with no contact - that could be an option for the vulnerable to continue (just let the courier know before hand) and if the economy was up and running these individuals or families could be supported financially by the government for a longer period until a vaccine or treatment is found. And if the lockdown continues for everyone, we aren’t allowed handymen to visit our houses anyway! Or they could wear a mask if the person is vulnerable.

I really want to see more detail of the data we’re being fed.

I would like to know how many of the new cases each day are likely due to community transmission, likely infected by a family member as they are a confirmed case, healthcare worker and also a those infected from within a care setting.

I will comply with a lockdown. But I am questioning whether we need to do it at this level because I have no clue on the breakdown I listed above.

I would also like to to see a calculation on where we are with testing vs confirmed cases. As testing capacity and uptake has increased, it is right that the volume of cases identified is increased now as more tests are conducted.

The current method of reporting daily cases is based on crude numbers and seem to be a bit of a shield for the gov to hide behind.

They need to give us details of a plan. Not necessarily dates at this stage, but a sequence of events. The fact that the gov isn’t seeing that is alarming as that is what is causing people to now start saying... fuck it.

I’m getting so frustrated with the (no doubt public sector) workers who won’t engage with this.

What do you want people to say?
Nobody has the answer. If there was an easy way to magic the money then that would be great but there isn't and I don't know the answer but neither do you, the government or anyone else. What I do know is you can't sacrifice people for the sake of the economy, and yes I mean all people not just those facing the threat of covid.

Yes I think at this stage witnessing so little progress sadly I would support a further lockdown.
I think we need to take better views of second waves and repeated instances of people getting the virus before we can consider lifting current restrictions.
Yes we all need to return to work and school etc, but nothing should come above preventing any more unnecessary deaths. The delay in locking down already did that-let's apply patience and caution please.

When everyone is on lockdown, the vulnerable are actually pretty safe People vulnerable to cold might be safe, but another part of the population is the very opposite of "safe"- what about them? do they not matter? (I'm talking about vulnerable children, those in abusive homes, those not getting cancer screenings, those in dire poverty). I guess they arent as important eh?

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

Thank you 🌹I'm missing her like hell and just want to be able to support my family & really can't. Sometimes only a hug helps 😢

But please - Don't tar us all with the same brush!

I care about all of those other issues too and we need to fight to get those things addressed.

However, that doesn't change my
Opinion that we need a harder, better enforced, lockdown to drive the R number right down while we have already got it down a bit. Loosening lockdown because people are bored/want to see their parents/grandchildren/boyfriend isn't the right thing to do. Lockdown hard now, drive the R down then move to track/trace etc

Put funding & physical help into helping those struggling there's plenty that could be done even in a harder lock down There really is 🌷

covid not cold

Definitely not, we need to be heading towards an exit strategy for this ridiculous and unsustainable situation!

Put funding & physical help into helping those struggling there's plenty that could be done even in a harder lock down There really is

But it isn't being done. There are women and children at risk, tonight, of death or serious injury and we cannot help them be somewhere safe as long as this continues. That's the reality. Public opinion is that only covid victims matter.

LolaSkoda there are some brilliant podcasts available by statisticians about the virus which really lay out the meanings of the figures. Well worth a listen rather than the sensationalist bollocks the mainstream media is peddling and the daily.