To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

so many people have pushed the boundaries too far

Those of you who fully believe that... what % of people do you think are not complying enough with the rules, and how many extra deaths do you think they have caused so far? Or... what % of total deaths do you think the non-compliers have caused (so far)?

Molliemoo10 those vulnerable people shouldn’t come into contact with anyone though if they stayed in strict lock down.

I haven't a clue what I feel about it all this weekend.

Neither is good, it's all a bit shit (very shit).

I would comply but not support.

I know there will be gradual removal of lockdown and social distancing in some form might be in place for over a year. I just hope that when it is loosened, people can be trusted to not go mad and stick to the restrictions which remain.

I think one reason they won't lay out a plan, is because once the next stage is out there, some people will choose to have it immediately. They have to keep the Stay at Home message for as long as they can until restrictions will actually be lifted. The UK public are not very compliant and a little easing could result in lots of people letting themselves return almost to normal before it's really time.

This thread alone shows the wide range of views people have about what should happen. Lots of people are very sure of their ideas (although why they think they know better than the gov I don't really know) It also shows some people seem to be willing to ignore or start to ignore lockdown if it isn't partially lifted because they don't like it.

I can't quite understand why people think they shouldn't support it becaue they don't like it or find it hard.....it's not really the point is it, but I think lots of people do seem to think that and take the view that it's all being done to inconvenience them and can't see a bigger picture. There are all these threads saying 'can I just go and visit my Mum' and 'can I just go the beach for a day out' and 'can I just have my friend over' - is it really that people don't understand why they aren't supposed to do these things?

Death is not the worst thing for some.

People in the last weeks and years of their lifes forced to isolate themselves from their loved ones. This cannot go on indefinitely, it's not fair on them.

If I was terminally ill I would be spending time with my loved ones, If I was elderly and nearing the end of my life I would be spending times with my loved ones and if I do get seriously depressed again (like I have been at points in my lifeand suicidal) then I will spend time with my loved ones as any of those situations and many more lead to death.

Covid 19 is not the only killer, it's all a risk so I and lots of others will balance that risk. The government will take this line soon enough as well. It will be a delicate balance of freedoms and reopenings vs covid 19 just like the other governments currently slowly reopening their countries.

thegreenlight “ those vulnerable people shouldn’t come into contact with anyone though if they stayed in strict lock down.”

Now I’m confused again.

Are you happy for the vulnerable to make their own choice?

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter

But from reading many threads its become very clear to me that people ONLY care about covid deaths. If you die from anything else its tough shit apparently. Its heartless

Bullshit

I lost a family member last week - not due to Covid, but because if the lockdown restrictions my family can not be together, the funeral can't be held for weeks and only a few of us can go.

I still support the lockdown

But I care. Trust me. I care a whole fucking lot that she died.

I wouldn't be happy, but I would support a further lockdown as is it doesn't look like the numbers are improving enough to lift it. I can't imagine how hard it must be for some people, but if we don't handle this carefully, the end result could be catastrophic.

I also agree our lockdown is far more lenient than other places and still people can't stick to it! It's not just people with no garden etc, where I can at least understand it. Dh's parents have a large house and garden, can Skype people etc and still visit friends and have other relatives over 🤯🙄

I don't know the answers so don't bother asking 'whos going to pay for it' I just really don't want to die and I'm really scared that if this lockdown is lifted without a vaccine I will in all likelihood be dead very quickly.

Well you’re going to have to engage with the ‘whose going to pay for it’ because that’s hugely important.

If the economy collapses, then there are serious issues with feeding the population and finding basic services INCLUDING the NHS.

@Frompcat I agree - online counseling is great if you have WiFi or lots of data, a phone or tablet or laptop with a camera and up to date enough to download zoom or Skype, a quiet enough place where you can speak privately, And can even bloody speak good enough English to begin with ! Counseling is not always ‘therapy’ for middle class people who can sit in an aesthetically pleasing spot with a nice cup of coffee in nice loungewear whilst you talk about why your kids are driving you mad and you wish your DH would let you get plans drawn up for another extension.

Imagine you’re a 21 year old woman who’s been brought here on an arranged marriage, two kids under 2, one potentially with SN, PND, little English, and an emotionally abusive husband who wants you to clean the kitchen floor the minute your zoom counselor rings. Not going to do much is it.

WombatChocolate Maybe they just weigh up risks differently based on their personal circumstances. And I have seen nothing that indicates that people who don’t agree with restrictions are automatically not complying. Questioning things is still permitted

@PepePig I work in pensions and we often see a spike in deaths of pensions after a cold snap. This year is just didn’t happen.

• deaths in pensioners

Because if they are finding it hard now, then the best thing for them is to avoid doing this all over again

That’s unlikely to happen. Chances are we will have to lockdown, lift, lockdown, lift for a while.

What we can’t do, is lockdown indefinitely.

lilactree1 it would be sensible for the vulnerable to isolate, but if they don’t want to no one should make them. Everyone should be responsible for their own health and they are in no worse of a position than they are now but would have the choice to NOT isolate, see their families, do the things that they enjoy but understand that it is more dangerous for them than others. The government should of course financially support them if they take the choice to isolate though, which would be a lot more manageable for a longer period if everyone else could work.

But I care. Trust me. I care a whole fucking lot that she died

I'm glad you care and I'm sorry for your loss.

But I have seen over and over again with my own eyes on MN, people not acknowledging the devastating effects lockdown will cause, the women dying from domestic abuse, mental health issues leading to suicide, the children pushed further into poverty, the cancer screening being put on hold (note- screening, NOT treatment- although that is too for some) etc etc THAT is never acknowledged by the people saying they love lockdown and all the family time its given them in their huge back gardens, doing yoga and home baking whilst on furlough in their huge houses.

Until today I would have thought nothing of accepting and approving of a further lockdown.

I phoned my Dad today, who is 79 and lives alone 30 minutes from us. He's been isolating for 6 weeks now and aside from collecting groceries we've left outside his front door, he's not been out once. He's been the most reliable, stoic and easygoing man I've ever known and today on our call he sounded broken. He is entirely alone - my siblings are far away, we haven't been to visit because of the risk we'd pose and despite calls and Skype sessions, the loneliness is hurting his heart.

That loneliness is going to hurt so many vulnerable people and for some, it will be too much. I think until I heard my Dad explain how he feels, it didn't occur to me just how difficult this really is.

If you're in the UK then you're not on lockdown. You seem to be able to do what you did a month ago: go to B&Q, go for a walk, go for a bike ride. Shit, sounds like fucking luxury to me

True.

That's the problem with supporting further lockdown in UK, its meaningless really.

For all those following rules and staying home, there are lots of people who go out daily, more than once, then there's mixing households too. Nobody to stop them, I've not seen a policeman around where I live since lockdown started. It seems like herd immunity policy by stealth.

If we'd had a serious lockdown in the 1st instance then maybe we'd be better off now. In my home country, a properly implemented lockdown + curfew has resulted in no new Covid cases at all in the last 16 days.

As it is, I can't see what more weeks of a UK pseudo-lockdown will achieve. & It's unrealistic to think the economy can sustain much more of this. Maybe for people who don't work or don't need to work/financially supported by someone it's fine, but not all are in that boat.

@thegreenlight

I understand your point, I really do.

What do the elderly do who need shopping delivered by someone? Should lockdown be lifted then the people delivering their shopping will have been in contact with many more people than they would've during lockdown, the likelihood of them carrying the virus will much, much larger. Same for tradesmen should the elderly or vulnerable need them they will have been in contact with more people thus increasing the likelihood of being a carrier, and on and on.

So just because the vulnerable and elderly self isolate it doesn't help with lockdown being lifted and more people carrying the virus to them.iyswim

Well you’re going to have to engage with the ‘whose going to pay for it’ because that’s hugely important

It is. If noone works for the next year there wont BE an NHS to treat ANYONE, let alone people with covid!

Well, if the bloody football starts back then as far as I'm converted lockdown is over. I've supported it so far, but I'm not going to sit at home with my bored kids while a special dispensation is given to the Holy Church of fucking Kickabout

To those saying the UK is not being compliant.

Well the government and the police would tell you different.

The vast majority of people have complied with the lock down. Fines and cautions have been lower than even the police expected..

But carry on spreading the myth that the wider British public are not complying with the lock down.

Also have a look at riots and protests in Poland, Austria, Germany, France and other countries. The USA is not the only country sick of complying.

People need to be clear, there is not ‘good’ option here. Every option is fucking horrendous.

However, the costs of lockdown long term are not sustainable. And LD was never supposed to last for anything more than a few weeks.

Unfortunately the government are bereft of any intelligent plans to get beyond this stage.

@thegreenlight

those vulnerable people shouldn’t come into contact with anyone though if they stayed in strict lock down

How exactly do you propose they do that when they have children etc.

Despite what some think, Covid 19 is not only killing those in their last few weeks/months of life. It's killing a lot of people 35-65. Who are otherwise expected to live DECADES longer