To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

@CaroleFuckinBaskin

Why are you just picking apart my posts? I'm not the only one who would support a continued lockdown.

I live with extended family, if lockdown was lifted they would have to work. I can't be 'shielded' as such.
Not every elderly person would find it easy to shield should the lockdown be lifted. Different people have different circumstances and it's not just a 'if you don't want to risk it don't go out' situation. You are looking at this with a far too simplistic view which I can only imagine is because you and yours would be as ok should the lockdown be lifted.

And saying you are prepared to stay in lockdown until a solution is found is not helpful, it's not at all necessary ,it produces fear as it would be incredibly harmful to many millions of people

It's not a case of lockdown forever or get rid of lockdown.

It's about getting just the right amount to get things in a state where we can get many more freedoms without risking another lockdown. A balance

It can't be a question of it we 'support' it or not. There cannot be a choice.

If government deems that releasing the lockdown will put lives at risk, we need to adhere to it. We are all part of this country and are all fighting against the spread of the virus together....but can't do this if some decide to support the lockdown and stick to restrictions and increasing numbers flout them and undo the good that others are doing. It doesn't matter if we agree or not - everyone needs to recognise that a lockdown and social distancing only works if the vast vast majority do it.

There can be no question of choosing to support it or not. The government will need to tell us very clearly and make sure it is not ambiguous, because with any ambiguity, people get confused and then the effectiveness is reduced. They will need to enforce it as far as possible.

The government behavioural scientists have looked and continue to look in detail about this the UK would react to different types of approach to lockdown or other ways of handling Covid. They will be gauging how long the country can sustain the current lockdown and how to manage it to keep it going if longer. Support for it from the vast majority is needed, because Police cannot be imposing it and enforcing it on a majority who object and flout the rules - they can manage small numbers of difficult flouters but not big numbers and they wouldn't want to try and do this. Support is vital.

You'd hope that if government says 'we need to continue' people will accept that we really do need to. Gov won't be telling us we need to carry on if we don't. They want to move on as quickly as possible. So I find any suggestion from people that if gov tells us we need to carry on, that they will just choose to ignore it really upsetting, because it working does depend on people being on board and being willing to do what they are to,d is needed. No one has to like it. We just have to accept its necessary if that's what we're told.

would support a further lockdown - I am happy to stay at home until a breakthrough is found

what if this takes 2 years- you gonna just not work for 2 years?
You are extremely lucky to have the finances to just drop out of working for two years! noone I know could afford to do this

But too many whinging about missing their Mummy/partner/bestie

Well actually I was more concerned about the suicides and the deaths of abused women and children resulting from an extended lockdown but ok. Why don't you admit you don't give a shit about those deaths and that they are just collateral damage to you?

@midgebabe

• I am not assuming that it isn't terrible hard for some people, and harder for some than othersThat does not however alter my conclusions. Because if they are finding it hard now, then the best thing for them is to avoid doing this all over again*

Yes.

A concept the hard of thinking are struggling with.

“ More seriously, those who will visit their parents aren’t you worried about their higher risk due to age?”

My mum is in her 60s and is a doctor working for the NHS. She is a greater risk to me and my newborn than the other way round. Greater risk to me and my newborn however is me getting PND and she would have been a big part of my support network. But I know I fall into the feeble whiner category for many.

I think there has to be some changes next week maybe slightly relaxed and then reviewed again after 2-3 weeks. It the numbers increase significantly then a further lockdown

A concept the hard of thinking are struggling with.

And yet you are using the hyperbole of "would you rather be inconvenienced or die", when for most of us that isn't the choice in front of us.

@Frompcat

As usual assuming everything is a reply to YOUR post 🙄

Why don't you admit you don't give a shit about those deaths and that they are just collateral damage to you

I agree @Frompcat
But from reading many threads its become very clear to me that people ONLY care about covid deaths. If you die from anything else its tough shit apparently. Its heartless.

I think the restrictions should be strengthened or, at the very least, better enforced. I've been shocked at the number of people who are selfishly disregarding the rules. Its people like this that mean the lockdown is likely to go on longer, but they aren't receiving enough criticism.

I'm disabled and this lockdown has been my way of life for years. Everyone moaning about a few more weeks of it needs to get a grip and think again about why we're doing this.

I think we need to be in stricter lockdown if anything.

When all this started I got a new job as a courier, everyone was in, the roads were empty and there were not many people about. This past week, the roads are a lot busier. I've never seen so many people out and about and lots of people are not at home.
I've come across families visiting and sitting in gardens, yesterday I saw two families who don't live together out on a walk and there was no social distancing going on.

My mums friend (an ex nurse) had her son over for tea and he's been in hospital with symptoms!

We're still not taking it seriously enough in this country and I for one would give a new warning to only go out for essentials or we will lock down further. We've got very complacent.

AmelieTaylor

So you do care about the deaths of the people I mentioned then. Excellent. What is your solution for them?

I think a lot of Mumsnetters are just by nature antisocial and hate their extended families tbh. Years of lockdown with their equally anti social kids and partners, no visiting MIL, sounds like heaven. This is the place where you’re told to call 101 if someone knocks at your front door WITHOUT PRIOR ARRANGEMENT, after all.

Wombatchocolate your post makes sense, but is very dependent on having confidence that the government strategy is the right one to follow. I have been prepared to follow it up to now, but if this is to go on longer term, perhaps it needs to make a bit more sense on how the longer term picture will play out. So if we are all to stay on lockdown until we're down to R

it's not at all necessary

It is if you are at risk or likely to come into some contact with someone who is at risk or likely to come into contact with someone who will then come into contact with someone who is at risk...can you see where I'm going with this?

lilactree1 I never suggested a forced lockdown for anyone but it would be sensible if they stayed in. Doesn’t mean everyone else should have to.

@Polkadotties

I agree with this. I was thinking earlier today we barely got any snow this winter. It really was relatively mild. Flu was nowhere near as damaging as it usually is. I'd hazard a guess that a good proportion of those who are 70+/had underlying health conditions, and a lot of those in care homes, were essentially living on borrowed time due to this winter being so "kind".

It obviously doesn't make it angry less sad or tragic, but it is something to briefly consider.

It's bullshit and needs to end. Gradually bit by bit maybe but it's got to go. The amount of collateral damage is getting ridiculous.

I read an opinion piece by a doctor which was linked on an MN thread as to why lockdown should continue. It had the opposite effect on me. All 3 of the patients the doctor had seen die, tragically, alone, from CV19, were not expected to live more than 3 years further.

It was tragic to read but I just can't get upset about people's lifespans being shortened by 3 years. I can get upset about increased domestic killings, violence, child abuse, job losses and families plunged into even more extreme poverty. People dying of preventable causes because the services to screen and treat them are "on hold". Mental health issues for people who were leading perfectly healthy lives until the lockdown pushed them over the edge.

On and on and on.

It's got to go and soon.

And I will wait for people to tell me that "services still exist to support the abused and mentally ill". . There was fuck all support before this shit show, never mind how. We have had to turn away women in real danger of losing their lives, that is how bad it is at the moment.

@rookiemere aren’t we already at R

But too many whinging about missing their Mummy/partner/bestie

I am worried about keeping a roof over my families head, being able to afford food, gas and electric.

I am worried about all those that have fallen through the gaps of the government schemes.

I am worried that the next wave is going to be a mental health nightmare, that the NHS couldn't start to be prepared for, as waiting lists before this was 6 months plus, so who knows how much longer it is going to be and how many we are going to lose to suicide

It was tragic to read but I just can't get upset about people's lifespans being shortened by 3 years. I can get upset about increased domestic killings, violence, child abuse, job losses and families plunged into even more extreme poverty. People dying of preventable causes because the services to screen and treat them are "on hold". Mental health issues for people who were leading perfectly healthy lives until the lockdown pushed them over the edge

I agree SO much with this.

thegreenlight apologies. I’ve heard so many people condemn the vulnerable to staying in, i projected. Sorry