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Bin wars

135 replies

YE420032c · 24/04/2020 16:07

I’m sorry for this long rambling post. Ive read a couple of threads on “bin stuffing” and I intend this as a cautionary tale for anyone who says they would dump the rubbish back on a neighbour’s property. I did this and learned to bitterly regret my hasty decision.

I’m in a position where I don’t know where to turn. My credibility with my neighbours has been destroyed and now they all think I’m a nutcase. I’ve had a police “warning” for harassment. Ive had a warning letter from the council for “fly tipping”. I’ve also received a solicitor’s letter threatening legal action if I “harass” my neighbour any more or encourage family members to “stalk” her.

Going back 2 years or more I became aware that someone was using my wheelie bin for some of their rubbish. My husband would put out the bins each week with only a bit of our rubbish in them. Someone would then come along late at night and put more rubbish in. I had to admit that they never came into my garden and they were not stopping me from putting out more rubbish. The rubbish was also neatly tied up – not dirty or messy. But it really annoyed me that someone was putting more black bags in my bins without asking me.

I got my nephew to park his car nearby and watch out the night before the bins went out. One night he spotted one of my neighbours doing it. Lets call her neighbour A. Next day I left the rubbish on her drive with a note telling her not to do it again. Unbeknown to me neighbour A had CCTV focused on her gate. Shortly after I got a warning letter from the council accusing me of “flytipping” and threatening me I could be summoned to court and sued if it happened again.

Following this incident I have on several occasions had my bins hidden away so they did not get emptied. They were found a couple of streets away. Or unpleasant things were dumped into my bins. Builders rubble, rotting food, shitty nappies.

Even more sinister I had several neighbours accuse ME of putting rubbish in their bins. One accused me of putting disposable nappies in her bin. She said that there was junk mail with my address on it among the rubbish. Another couple had just moved into an empty house. They said there were “about a dozen” black bin bags of rubbish dumped in their garden along with packing crates from a kitchen supplier with my name/address on them. When I denied it they said that I was “known” for dumping rubbish on other people’s property and they had seen “photographic proof”. They had obviously spoken to A and seen her CCTV photos.

When they came over they did not even speak to me. The husband, who did all the talking, just talked across me and addressed my husband as if I wasn’t there. He threatened to go to the local council if there were any more “incidents” and implied that I had a mental health problem.

Ive also had a letter from the manager of a business part that backs onto our property – and that of neighbour A. It accused me of throwing sacks of rotting food onto their property on several occasions and mentions them containing “correspondence” with my address. Again there were threats of legal action if any more “fly tipping” occurs.

I suspected that A was engineering a conspiracy to punish me but had no way to prove it. The incidents were weeks – sometimes months – apart. Therefore it was difficult to find out who was doing it.

My nephew did try waiting there a few times but one night he was approached by two police officers. They checked his documents and said they had received a complaint that someone with his vehicle registration has been sitting outside the house of a resident and intimidating them. My nephew tried to explain about the bins but the officers were not interested and got huffy. They warned him that if there were any further complaints about him “harassing” the resident he could be arrested. Of course he has not parked there since. And he feels that he dare not even park in the street now.

My neighbour A is an old woman who lives alone and had no doubt presented herself to the officers as a “vulnerable” person who was being stalked by this man who sat outside in his car. It seems you can no longer watch someone’s house even if you never approach them or intend to do them any harm. Its “stalking” which is a form of harassment. Apparently its now a criminal offence.

Going back to the stuff dumped in my bin. Builders rubble, mouldy cat food, and shitty nappies.

I still think that my neighbour A was behind all this. She doesn’t have a cat or any children but I suspect she was recruiting her friends to help out in “punishing” me. My husband and I tried going to her house and confronting to her about it and asking her to end the “bin war” but she said “You cant go about accusing people without proof. You’ve obviously got mental problems and a fetish about dustbins. ”

A rents her house and I did try to phone her landlord. He said it was a personal dispute and the tenant has done nothing to break her lease. He put the phone down on me.

Later that day the community police called. They insinuated that my husband and I were “harassing” my neighbour which is a “criminal offence”. We have been left a “police information notice” which warns us that neither I nor any member of my family must do anything to contact or annoy A, otherwise we can be arrested under the “Protection from Harrassment Act”

Ive also received a strongly worded letter from A’s solicitor headed “Letter before action”. It threatened me with legal action for harassment if I or any member of my family approaches her, tries to communicate with her or “surveils” her house. It also mentioned my “spreading malicious gossip” to her landlord. It seems that too is a form of harassment. If I want to communicate with her I have to go through the solicitor or risk legal action.

So Im now in a position where I don’t know what to do. I can’t ask my nephew or any of my relatives to park outside in case they get into trouble. CCTV is not an option for me because there is a high fence between my house and where we put the bins.

At the moment I am "hiding" in my sisters house 300 miles away. So if any more dumping incidents happen I can prove it was not me. I sneaked out of the house under cover of darkness and am feeling very tense about the idea of going back home.

OP posts:
BanKittenHeels · 25/04/2020 19:35

It seems you can no longer watch someone’s house even if you never approach them or intend to do them any harm

How I miss those good old days misty eyed stare.

emcero1 · 25/04/2020 19:58

Um...

MidnightCircus · 25/04/2020 19:59

This is the thread that just keeps on giving

LilQueenie · 25/04/2020 20:04

either install cctv or get a lock on your bin. Ask the council and they may well do it or allow you to do it yourself. I have the same kind of issue with my neighbour. elderly and plays the vulnerable card yet perfectly able to move about and lie when he wants to.

dotty12345 · 25/04/2020 20:50

My neighbour asked me today if he could use my garden waste bin and I said yes because what does it matter to me? If he'd waited til I put the half full bin out next week and filled it I wouldn't give a hoot (if I had even noticed!) Still we're both tenants so our opinion doesn't count! Batshit! Glad you're not my neighbour.

Baboutheocelot · 25/04/2020 21:05

Put your bin out in the morning?

TrainspottingWelsh · 25/04/2020 21:58

Yes, of course, she must be a racist. I'm sure she'd have been quite happy if a white male sat outside her home watching her, or if a white female harassed her and her landlord. And the neighbours would just dismiss your utterly batshit behaviour as completely normal if you had a uk birth certificate.

Do I win a prize if your next update involves a disability or tragic situation you are dealing with?

Reallymissthegym · 25/04/2020 22:04

What was wrong with her putting a bag of rubbish in your bin? Me and my neighbours do this all the time.

If someone was sat watching my house I would phone the police too. Can’t you see what’s wrong with that?

You’ve escalated this yourself. Why not just be a neighbour- remember 🎵neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours, with a little understanding🎵

Brefugee · 25/04/2020 22:18

"only a tenant" and "hoity toity" and didn't realise they had rights?
You're the nightmare neighbour. Just stop

Reallymissthegym · 25/04/2020 22:23

This has to be bullshit. No one can be as * (please insert own description) as the OP. Too much wine? Gin? Sun?

Rose789 · 26/04/2020 00:18

I don’t understand how so many letters things with your address on have been distributed everywhere. Surely everyone knows to destroy documents with any personal information on?
You have caused this situation, either apologise to your neighbour or move.
Ps:if you moved to a country and live there you are an immigrant. That’s not racist that’s a fact. Same if you said your neighbour is a tenant, that is fact. Adding she is ONLY a tenant and therefore you can do what you like on her property as she is beneath you is where you started being an absolute dick.
Contacting landlords because visitors parked in your spot?
Maybe take up a hobby OP

Deepmidwicket · 26/04/2020 00:30

I don’t know who is more batshit you or your nephew

Louiselouie0890 · 26/04/2020 00:39

I know this feeling, we were young we called the police after he threatened us and was punching our windows. Police came took one look at us insinuated that we had our music on full blast were young like parties and he was annoyed. Little did they know we hadnt even been in the building we were in hospital while I was having a miscarriage.

We moved and ever since kept ourselves to ourselves but our neighbours now dont like us because we like to keep our distance. You will never win.

Maybe out the bin out early morning?

MadameMeursault · 26/04/2020 00:58

Batshit.

Dinomom52 · 26/04/2020 01:30

“Just a tenant”

We were “just tenants for years”. We were Lucky enough to buy a couple of years ago & now live between 2 council tenants who are both bloody lovely.

It’s our home. It’s their home. Makes no bloody difference to mutual respect as to who’s name is on the title.

JKScot4 · 26/04/2020 02:05

@YE420032c
You need to get your shit straight, hard working, from scratch yet elsewhere you run a high end antique business that started due to an inheritance??
Think you’re delusional in more ways than one 🙄🙄

HT96 · 26/04/2020 02:31

🤣 OMG, no wonder she has done all she has! You ring her landlord over any little thing! And she probably pays more for her rent than you do your mortgage so all the BS you said is just that BS!

You can't just send people on to her property because YOU want to!

You sound VERY immature and I think your DH is right!! A grovelling letter to the solicitor apologising and asking to put the past behind you and move on sounds like your only option!! 🥴

Notthetoothfairy · 26/04/2020 10:14

I think the race issue is relevant only in that, in OP’s culture, maybe it is acceptable to see tenants as lesser and perhaps the laws there re owners and tenants are different (I don’t know, I’m only speculating).

OP, even if that’s the case, it’s not how things are seen in the UK so, as PPs have said, you massively put your foot in it there. Once she came out of her house that first time you met, you should have instantly apologised profusely and explained that you thought the property was vacant, not turned aggressive/condescending on her and said you didn’t need her permission (which you did).

That set the tone for your relationship, which has now got worse and worse. I think you either need to go out of your way to make it up with her and kill her with kindness (perhaps starting by arranging for something like a large bouquet of flowers and chocolates/cake etc to be delivered to her) or sell up (don’t rent the house out as she may start bothering you as the landlord!). If you sell, disputes with neighbours have to be disclosed, so this ongoing situation is not good from several perspectives.

TheRoyallingStones · 26/04/2020 10:31

The problem neighbour is you. The more you post the more batshit crazy you sound.

This could have all been avoided if you hadn’t treated her like crap when you first moved in, if you’d spoken to her rather than dumping rubbish in her garden, and if you’d simply fitted a bin lock when all this started.

Stop harassing your neighbours. Get a bin lock. Move on with your life and let your neighbours do the same.

Ulver · 26/04/2020 10:34

Go to your doctor and explain your long running vendetta with your neighbour.
Then take their advice on your mental health.
Sounds like you require some kind of treatment/ drugs for paranoia and anxiety.
Your behaviour is bizarre and extreme. It is not normal.

Ulver · 26/04/2020 11:04

Also the police will already have placed you in a category of mental health vulnerability that they use for paranoid and hyper vigilant complaints specially Re neighbours.
Every one including tenants have the right to enjoy their home in peace and persistent unwarranted complaints is harassment.

Icanflyhigh · 26/04/2020 11:12

"Only a tenant" Hmm

Off you fuck love, you deserve everything you get.
Fairly certain you might have been one of my neighbours not so long ago, your attitude stinks, and so does your shit, just like everyone elses.

Only a tenant my fucking arse.
That pisses me off to the nth degree and people like you never bother to ask why we're tenants rather than owners....

Grrr, you've made me fucking angry now.

Fespital · 26/04/2020 11:21

In all fairness to the OP she has admitted all her mistakes and came on MN to tell people not to do what she did. Yes she's got the wrong end of the stick several times over the years but she's written it all down to give people a lesson not to do what she did. Perhaps people could be a bit nicer with their advice rather than piling on the criticism?

Ulver · 26/04/2020 11:29

If you make complaints to the police Re your neighbours they will want to know that you have done everything in your power to avoid escalating conflict unnecessarily. If all this could have been avoided with a bin lock then it’s a huge waste of their time.
OP still doesn’t understand that she antagonised her neighbour 8 years ago and has been engaged in totally unnecessary hostilities since. She still thinks it’s odd that it’s against the law for her relatives to watch her neighbours in their cars overnight etc

Becclescake · 26/04/2020 11:59

Reminds me of that 'Neighbours From Hell' programme where the 'victims' always seem more unhinged than the alleged perpetrator 😂