Nannies not being furloughed.

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We live in an area where a high percentage of families who have nannies, and many of them are expecting their nannies to travel to and from work each day. Many nannies are saying the families are not front line / key workers and are WFH; the majority of nannies are from abroad.

AIBU to think that if you are expecting your nanny to travel to and from work, you need to take on the responsibility of paying them in full if they become ill, offer their families death in service pay, and cover the costs of their funeral expenses and repatriation in the event that they die?

These are pretty much the conditions that will be in the parents employment contracts anyway (given the main types of employment in the wealthiest part of London) so surely they should give the same terms to their nannies?

YES YANBU

NO Fuck off you stupid trollop everyone needs a nanny when working from home.

I can't find the stupid trollop button.

Is it part of the Mumsnet Premium service?

Govenment guidelines do still allow you to work at a place of work if your job can't be done at home. If a Nanny is still needed you cant really be furloughed.

I’ve been advised by our nanny payroll company that we can only furlough our nanny if she would otherwise be made redundant. DH and I continue to work full time, hence there is no argument for redundancy - but there would be one if either he or I were furloughed ourselves and could do childcare ourselves.

Fortunately for everyone, our nanny is live in and is happy to be part of our household, so I haven’t had to make any difficult decisions.

I am just posting to say that - as outlined to me - the rules on furloughing nannies are not straight forward.

WTF???

You are allowed to travel to work, even if it is non-essential. Plus, how would anyone prove where the nanny picked up the virus?

@Popskipiekin Apologies, I am talking about live out nannies - not live in nannies - that really doesn't bother me at all as I suspect (hope) with a live in nanny you are all isolating together.

@WorraLiberty Stupid Trollop button is YABU on this vote!

I’m in a nursery, no social distancing or PPE for us and key workers children in every day.

YABU

. People are WFH, babies would be required to you know nanny the children.

Not sure why this is hard to understand tbh, terms and conditions haven’t changed, irregardless of a pandemic.

*nannies not babies

So how are all the non-key workers who are both working from home doing it? They are managing without a nanny and whilst it's difficult for them they are managing to find solutions.

Not everyone who is still going to work gets all of those benefits you have listed. Why should nannies be a special case?

(Are you a nanny?)

I think the nannies should be given sick pay but not death in service pay and paying for the funeral is OTT

My understanding of the government guidelines is that furloughing would not apply in this situation.

I’m still going to work, my employer won’t be paying for my funeral if I die.

@Icandada No I am not - I work for the NHS but not in a clinical role. And yes, is this area those terms of contract are pretty standard - apart from funeral costs (I added that for the selfishness of putting someone else at risk).

I also have my own freelance business as well, although that has absolutely cratered at the moment.

But the rules are that if you are not able to work from home you CAN go to work. Some children are too young/too hard work/special needs etc and cannot be left while both parents are working from home where their jobs are busy. For some families, if they don’t have the nanny they may out their own jobs at risk if they have to spend lots of time looking after the children and so the nanny would then probably lose their job entirely.
So YABU.

I don't see why the parents should feel obliged to cover illness or provide repatriation of the corpse if they die. If the nannies don't want to work in the conditions on offer, they have the freedom of choice to decline it and look for alternative employment.

The argument that the parents get these benefits as part of their employment is irrelevant. By that logic the nannies should be paid the same amount as the parents earn. Different jobs have different perks.

Why should or would the nannies be furloughed? If the parent/s are working from home they still need childcare, to help them. The government are going to struggle greatly to pay people on furlough, why on earth do you want them to cover more people?
If everyone is keeping themselves to themselves as much as possible then they're limiting exposure.

Someone I know is insisting their nanny stays on... They don't work.

If the nanny doesn't want to work then she can hand in her notice

Furlough wouldn't apply here. Lots of people are still physically going to work.

YABU

The key worker thing only relates to eligibility to have a child looked after at school. I've seen nothing else about different rules for people defined as key workers - but happy to be corrected if I've missed it.

The nanny obviously can't work from home, and is as entitled to travel to work just like anyone else who can't work from home. The nature of the work is not relevant to this.

For sure, some people will choose not to have a nanny (or cleaner or gardener or whoever they might normally employ) during this time - for any number of reasons. But that is entirely their choice - and the choice of the employee - and nothing to do with anyone else. It doesn't make anyone a stupid trollop!!!

-How do you know what's in the nannies contracts anyway? If the nanny isn't happy with their contract, I'm sure they would raise it with their agency and the families. Not the local neighbours!

Travelling to work where it cannot be done at home is permitted. Doesn't matter if your job is essential or not.

Your employer has some obligations around your health and safety while at work as they always do. But that is it.

If they are legitimately employed and paid properly, probably via a nanny payroll company, then they'd be eligible for statutory sick pay at least surely? That's as good as it gets for lots of private sector workers.

If both parents are at work (even if at home) then they have a need for childcare.

I know some people are working and balancing child care because they normally use a child minder or nursery that is closed. But not sure making other people's lives more annoying just because your life is helps the situation really

Unless both parents are key workers, it wouldn’t feel right to me to compromise the nanny’s safety by requiring her in.

I’d be paying her if I could, but not requiring her services. Much like people are doing with their cleaners.

But not sure making other people's lives more annoying just because your life is helps the situation really

More about not exposing the Nanny to additional risk unless absolutely necessary, surely?