NHS staff dancing..

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I couldn't see another tread on this. But if there is, please link it.

What's your opinion on this? AIBU to think this is in very bad taste?

DP is a paramedic who has actively spoken against the one at his work, he doesnt mind them having fun but to him it's a national emergency and it was only a few weeks ago he got in trouble for taking a cup of tea after going to a suicide so they can't start preaching time to have fun now..

Same people berating us for you know, trying to lighten the mood, were the same fuckers clanging pots and waking shift workers up in "appreciation".

You can officially stick your clapping up your arseholes.

The fact that someone is working very hard in a vital role doesn't give them carte blanche to be disrespectful. I don't think organised mass dancing down hospital corridors when thousands of people are dying during a national emergency is a good thing, and nothing will convince me of that.

There are many more ways to let off steam, have a break, and cheer each other up which aren't in such poor taste.

I’ve just watched little compilation of videos on the daily mail and I think they’re great.

Two points tho, firstly people saying who’s looking after the patients if all the nurses are dancing, in the majority of videos there is a wide range of staff doing the videos eg nurses doctors hcas domestics porters radiology staff ward managers etc all together, so it’s not like all the nurses have left the patients and gone off to dance!

Secondly, people saying oh these are long well choreographed routines..no they’re not, they are well know dances as done on social media that take a couple of minutes to learn! Or in some of videos it’s one main dancer and the other staff just doing some jazz hands in the background...hardly the showstopper off strictly is it!

Actually a lot of medical professionals don't have a lot to do right now, because people are avoiding hospitals, either cancelling appointment's or not going to A and E when they have a serious condition because they are scared of Corona.

In the end, this may kill more people than the Corona virus.

What I do know from a 25 year professional career in law is that staff behaving like that in the employ of anyone in the private sector would be facing a disciplinary. I have instigated disciplinary action for far less. But why bother, when you can never fire anyone anyway? And there is always “special pleading” even when it’s blindingly obvious people are taking the piss?

Absolutely true. But once again as can be seen on this thread, some people are such zealots about defending the state religion that they are incapable of hearing legitimate criticism. Half empty hospitals are not a sign of success, they are a sign of potentially lethal failure. How many cancelled operations? How many patients denied cancer treatment? The NHS managers and the government are responsible for this. When the inevitable inquiry happens, those responsible for this failure to treat patients while chanting 'protect the NHS' and banging pots? Let's hope they are held accountable.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus

I take your points I really do, but:

Really? Where was the consultation?

Where was the time for consultation? I am front of the queue to berate the lack of response to this pandemic but in the here and now we are where we are. The time for highlighting what could have been done better isn’t even close right now because the information to support either side just isn’t available. Even if we had chosen to seriously prepare we had so little data to work with I’m not convinced we wouldn’t still be in much the same position regarding people’s ongoing care. Hindsight will reveal a lot of wrong decisions but we shouldn’t forget the context.

None of that changes my position that people are still people getting through it the best they can. I’m determined not to misplace my anger or frustration right now. People who spend 98% of their time working for the good of others shouldn’t be demonised for the 2% of time they blow off steam. They aren’t hero’s but they are carrying a huge weight so whilst I’m not preparing to canonise them I’m prepared to cut them some slack.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus, @BovaryX - thank god for some people with the ability to apply some critical thinking and reasoning rather than the tedious "it looks like fun and it wouldn't bother me" sheep.

Person centred care means care that meets the individual patient's needs. It is not about providing the care you would want or treating everyone the same - it is about adjusting care to meet what the person wants.

Just because some patients/loved ones don't have a problem with it, doesn't mean NO patients/families find it crass and disrespectful. Okay so the folk doing it probably find it fun (although I suspect a few hiding up the back in the videos are being forced by the ring leaders) but it is a completely non-essential aspect of the working day that is being carried out openly in hospital wards and units and broadcast in the public domain via SM.

Whether these are "facts" or not is irrelevant - it is how it is perceived by the general public during this crisis. The NMC are clear in their Code of practice that nurses, midwives and nursing associates should always put the needs of the patient first and promote professionalism and trust at all times.

Dancing while people die is just not a good look.
Misuse of PPE is not a good look.
Being paid and fed for free to dance around in empty wards is not a good look.

The nurses in these videos are at risk of lowering public confidence in the profession by taking part in and sharing these videos.

Same people berating us for you know, trying to lighten the mood, were the same fuckers clanging pots and waking shift workers up in "appreciation".

You can officially stick your clapping up your arseholes.

Lovely!

But no, that’s not the case here at all. I’ve not clapped once, and not ashamed of it either.

In fact, my experience (and that of family members) of the NHS has been so appalling and traumatic that my DH and I decided to opt for private healthcare insurance. Best thing we’ve done, to be honest.

Too many people are forced to feel grateful for substandard care simply because the NHS exists!

My friend is a nurse. She is holding hands of dying patients each shift and is exhausted.

She is also filming videos dancing. Cos she loves dancing and is a stress release and makes her smile.

We NEED these staff to have as good mental health as possible. This is going to go on for ages. We don't want them so burnt out they make mistakes or have to go off with stress.

Everyone copes differently. It's absolutely fine to not enjoy making or watching videos. But if people have this is a spirit building coping mechanism then leave them to it is my opinion

I think the novelty of Nurses dancing has worn off TBH! They have a difficult job for sure and none of us envy them .The NHS is a wonderful institution ,and we are rightly proud of it .However it has become almost like a cult lately .Dancing Nurses,clapping every single week and yet people are having their Cancer treatments postponed,Parents are worrying about taking seriously ill children to A and E ,and there are still lots of people ill with Corona Virus!They risk seeming smug in the face of adversity, and while this is obviously not the intention its probably best to call it a day now!

Professor Karol (has a really interesting twitter account) said they would normally expect 30000 cancer referrals in a month and he thinks they won’t even get to 5000 this month. He and his colleagues are very worried. Half empty hospitals are a disaster not a triumph. The videos are tasteless. As for the North Korea clapping. Dear God.

^But in a situation where there is even a 1% chance that an action will upset someone who is already suffering and dealing with loss, then “blowing off steam” takes a very poor second and I absolutely judge people who don’t consider how their actions appear to others, especially in a time of crisis.
And the point that is consistently forgotten is that NHS staff, like the rest of us, spend 100% of their time working for a salary that is often generous, not out of the goodness of their hearts. They are not paid to piss about any more than the rest of us^

Well said. It shows such a tone deaf cluelessness to patients. It highlights the fact that many patients are languishing at home with potentially lethal medical conditions to protect the NHS. This Orwellian phrase would be laughable. But its consequences will be lethal. And those responsible for creating this situation, where people are struggling to breathe, but are discouraged from seeking medical care? They need to be held accountable.

I'm involved with covid patients, I havent been in any videos and I cant stand Peter Kaye and his naff Amarillo.
However I'm all for staff having a bit of light relief.
God!! Would you rather they went into work and showed the patients how they really feel? which in my case ranges from anxiety to depression to sheer terror at times.
The NHS staff are the kindest and most compassionate people around. I am proud to have been a part of it (for 30 years) but sadly I cant say the same for some of the patients who are downright abusive.
I've said this before, I'm standing my ground for now because I am needed but when this is over I'm getting the hell out of it. I will miss my lovely colleagues but wont miss some of the patients at all.
For every patient who says thank you there is another who treats us like skivvies or is rude or aggressive.
Our hospital has had complaints re the most ridiculous things from patients who staff have fought so hard to save and risked their own health to do so. No "Thank yous" just complaints.

Same people berating us for you know, trying to lighten the mood, were the same fuckers clanging pots and waking shift workers up in "appreciation".You can officially stick your clapping up your arseholes.

Absolutely no pan clanging or clapping from this house at all, never have and never will.

I had my first look on fb in weeks this morning. The people sharing the nurses, doctors etc dancing are the same in my road that have been out bashing the crap out of their kitchen utensils, clapping like demented loons, beeping car horns and letting off fireworks. The same people who've been mixing households because the 'rules' do not apply to them...

Honestly? I'm not a fan. I'm a nurse and barely have time to go to the bathroom, never mind plan, choreograph and perform in a video. Maybe it is because of the type of patients I nurse (generally end of life) but I also find it incredibly disrespectful.
If that's what gets them through then fine, but I find it a bit tacky.

no problems with the dancing - but if they have time to all band together at the same time, choreograph and practice then film these routines then maybe they're not that busy? I've seen quite a few hospital workers talking about how quiet it is.

@JigsawsAreCool - your friend and her colleagues are entitled to dance to their hearts' content if it helps.

The point is they should not be doing it in PPE, on NHS property and during NHS work time (even if they are on a break, they are on site and looks bad to the public) and then broadcasting it to the public via SM.

If it is just for fun and stress relief, why not do it in a back room and not video/broadcast? What is it about the sharing that relieves stress for them?

Will it relieve stress if it upsets even one patient or family member who maybe recognises them as the people on the unit where their loved one died? Mabye a few hours ago? Or mabye currently ill or dying in that unit?

You really cannot see that this is not a good thing to do?

No one has an issue with them dancing, posting the videos to social media though is tone deaf. Share them on WhatsApp groups, with friends and family but FFS people have been sacked from MC Donald's for posting tik toks filmed at work. Yet no one is allowed to criticise for this one thing because then you apparently don't care about healthcare staff if you don't agree with this one action, ridiculous.

Totally inappropriate and really upset me. Because:

This is a pandemic.

People are suffering horrendously

People are dying

People in care homes are being left to suffer horrific deaths

People are prevented from going to hospital by 111.

The NHS is an outdated, underfunded, and mismanaged monopoly that is letting FAR too many people of this country suffer and die due to its inflexible and stubborn out of date ways.

Nurses, don't you think that was a bit disrespectful to the Maori people? Don't you think that people whose loved ones are dying / have just died / are seriously ill and not allowed into hospital want to see you dancing?

NO.

Dancing is good, but not whole choreographed and filmed sequences at work.

DISGRACEFUL, INSENSITIVE, INAPPROPRIATE.