NHS staff dancing..

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I couldn't see another tread on this. But if there is, please link it.

What's your opinion on this? AIBU to think this is in very bad taste?

People are missing @BovaryX's point I think.

I don't think she's blaming the dancing nurses or the NHS itself for people not seeking medical help, she's blaming a currently highly dysfunctional management of the NHS and warped public attitudes towards it, of which nurses dancing in corridors is a symptom. People not seeking medical help is also a symptom.

Is this all essential workers who can't have fun or just medical ones?

I’m sure if supermarket staff were posting videos of themselves dancing with rolls of toilet paper and other essential items at the height of stockpiling, that would have left just as bad a taste in people’s mouths.

But I'm afraid people always die. And life does go on

What a thing to say when people are dying unnecessarily! Try telling the families of that 3 year old child that life goes on!

@BovaryX, if I’m obtuse I’m certainly not alone. You’re completely failing to address any of the points I’ve made. And the constant reference to a seven year old report is getting pretty old.

You and @RunningAwaywiththeCircus detest the NHS and never miss an opportunity to bash it. We all get that. I’m the last person to pretend it’s perfect but it’s been under the cosh constantly for six weeks now and it really doesn’t deserve this opprobrium.

Of course nhs staff can dance if they want to!! What they shouldn't be doing is dressing in scrubs and PPE in a building where people are dying alone and probably scared then sticking it on social media. Can you imagine police and firefighters busting out some moves in the middle of a terrorist attack because they are stressed. No. In the middle of a pandemic is just as shite

I’m sure if supermarket staff were posting videos of themselves dancing with rolls of toilet paper and other essential items at the height of stockpiling, that would have left just as bad a taste in people’s mouths
Then those people would need a grip handing to them quickly.

The people who were staffing the click and collect point at my supermarket were having a laugh and a joke when I went to pick my shopping up. Maybe I should bitch on Mumsnet that they weren't suitably apologetic and grovelling about my lack of plain flour and their smiles only rubbed salt into a gaping wound, their laughter at work could have been triggering and they need to shut up and know their place.

Some schools have done nice things with the key worker children and put videos on social media. Others have done music montages with staff and children. Maybe they shouldn't in case someone wants to whine on Mumsnet about how this proves not only are teachers are lazy swines who shouldn't be paid, but they should ensure that they certainly shouldn't share anything light hearted.

That's what the message on here seems to be: either don't do anything fun at all or feel free to smile but don't share it in case someone wants to pull a cat's bum face over it.

The people who were staffing the click and collect point at my supermarket were having a laugh and a joke when I went to pick my shopping up. Maybe I should bitch on Mumsnet that they weren't suitably apologetic and grovelling about my lack of plain flour and their smiles only rubbed salt into a gaping wound, their laughter at work could have been triggering and they need to shut up and know their place

And?

Some schools have done nice things with the key worker children and put videos on social media. Others have done music montages with staff and children. Maybe they shouldn't in case someone wants to whine on Mumsnet about how this proves not only are teachers are lazy swines who shouldn't be paid, but they should ensure that they certainly shouldn't share anything light hearted

So?

People aren’t dying because of lack of plain flour or lazy teachers are they?

Erm.. Don't think people are dying in a supermarket... It happens but not very often and we wouldn't be making videos for social media of us dancing down aisles. Nobody is staying home to protect supermarkets.. The economy isn't going to shit so as not to overwhelm supermarkets...supermarkets aren't leaving people to turn blue and gasping for breath. Dancing nurses on social media is disrespectful to every dead or dying person in that hospital and to every man woman and child who is struggling with their lives turned upside down all to protect them from being oberwhelmed

They’re not dying because people are dancing either.

And the constant reference to a seven year old report is getting pretty old

@Alsohuman

I tell you what is getting pretty old. The attitude that even when a health care system is lethally dysfunctional, it should be immune from criticism. This thread was filled with people denying there was a problem with patients not attending hospital. Dr. Chris Pickering was on Sky news describing the surreal situation in Stoke and expressing concern that heart attack and stroke patients were not seeking hospital care. People will die as a consequence of this. You blame patients for this? Perhaps instead of making dancing videos, NHS employees would be better employed making videos about why critically ill patients should seek medical treatment. You know. Rather than dying at home to 'protect the NHS.'

Why is it the fault of NHS management for doing as it’s told?

It's not. That isn't the issue being discussed here at all and the NHS management is working very hard to get patients back into hospitals and encouraging patients to present with red flag symptoms.

The issue here is a small number of NHS staff putting videos of themselves dancing in their uniforms and PPE on social media. It is against their professional bodies code of conducts and also their employers. It is incredibly disrespectful to patients who cannot access treatment and insensitive to the family members of people who happen to be dying in those hospitals at this moment in time.

No one is saying NHS staff can't have fun. They can even prat around dancing. Just don't do it in uniform, in PPE AND post it on social media.

They’re not dying because people are dancing either

No, they’re not. But again, it gives the impression that they are making light of the situation.

Tonz I made the point earlier in the thread about other emergency services doing this at Grenfell or a terrorist attack. I was told it was different as those workers were only experiencing short term stress.....

Nobody’s said it should be immune from criticism. Certainly not me. Constructive, evidenced criticism and correctly apportioned blame are one thing. Biased rants at every possible opportunity are another. There’s a great deal wrong with the NHS, there’s also a great deal right with it, it doesn’t deserve or merit this level of opprobrium.

They’re not dying because people are dancing either.

The optics of the nurses who are employed by the nhs and are working in a hospital, is just not that great though are they.

That isn't the issue being discussed here at all

It is, read the thread.

and the NHS management is working very hard to get patients back into hospitals and encouraging patients to present with red flag symptoms

Absolutely right. I’m glad I’m not the only one who realises that.

Seriously how can anybody compare someone laughing at a checkout to nurses dancing about in hospital corridors. I'm sure laughing and joking at work is a completely normal thing that is done day in day out for hundreds of years.
pratting about doing dance routines dressed in PPE in the middle of a pandemic where people are dying is a new and disgusting thing

People aren’t dying because of lack of plain flour or lazy teachers are they?
No, just like people aren't dying because some health staff have had a little bit of fun or tried to share some happiness either.

This crisis is really offering people who dislike public sector workers a real opportunity to stick the boot in any time the workers aren't matching whatever they think the workers should be doing. Then if their ridiculous whining is challenged we get "oooh nobody can criticise teachers / first rule is you have to worship NHS staff". It's like reading the Daily Mail on here some days.

I don't think she's blaming the dancing nurses or the NHS itself for people not seeking medical help, she's blaming a currently highly dysfunctional management of the NHS and warped public attitudes towards it, of which nurses dancing in corridors is a symptom. People not seeking medical help is also a symptom

@Lockheart
Yes. I think the slogan 'protect the NHS' is a manifestation of the dysfunction. It's about the relationship between the health service and the patient. It is an inversion of a functioning health care system. You can see it on this thread from posters who want nurses to be free to dance on social media without criticism yet have no comment about the catastrophe evolving in the background. People dying at home to 'protect the NHS.' It's absolutely astonishing.

The optics of the nurses who are employed by the nhs and are working in a hospital, is just not that great though are they

No. It's disgraceful. And it is also inviting criticism of both the profession and the NHS.

it doesn’t deserve or merit this level of opprobrium

But that is how some people feel about the videos. Whether or not you think it is merited. They have as much right to feel the videos are in poor taste as you do to be amused by them. Their feelings are not invalid just because you don’t agree.

This crisis is really offering people who dislike public sector workers a real opportunity to stick the boot in any time the workers aren't matching whatever they think the workers should be doing

@LolaSmiles

Do you understand the significance of Dr.Chris Pickering's comments? He was on Sky news describing the drastic reduction in patients in A&E in Stoke. He specifically mentioned stroke and heart attack patients. People are dying because they are not seeking medical treatment. Do you understand the consequences of the cancellation of cancer treatments? Do you understand that there is a serious problem evolving while the cheerleaders bang pots?

Their feelings are not invalid just because you don’t agree.
Having a different opinion on the videos is one thing, deciding that staff are obviously ignoring patients, not doing their jobs, must be doing this when on shift and not on their breaks, they're causing people to die etc is the sort of ridiculous vitriol that's only spouted by people looking to spread misery and stick the boot in.

People are honestly trying to blame health staff for people not going to A&E if they need to go.

People need to stay home to protect the NHS precisely so they can deal with Coronavirus and have staff available to treat those who need it. There's been campaigns for years about choosing the right health services for the ailment or illness. The same thing applies now as it always has done.

No, just like people aren't dying because some health staff have had a little bit of fun or tried to share some happiness either

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But people are dying Lola! Not because of healthcare worker dancing, but they are dying by not going to hospital to seek treatment to protect the NHS, by having their treatment postponed due to lack of resources, by 111 and 999 being so busy that they are encouraged to stay at home or not being dealt with in time, by lack of ambulance availability, by suicide due to isolating to protect the NHS and they are dying alone and in many cases, before their time, leaving behind young children.

So no, whilst they are not dying due to healthcare workers having some fun, it is massively disrespectful to families of those who have died, inappropriate and tone deaf on their part.