NHS staff dancing..

[Whitefeather01]

I couldn't see another tread on this. But if there is, please link it.

What's your opinion on this? AIBU to think this is in very bad taste?

I completely fail to see the connection between the deplorable situation with half empty hospitals and government decreed patients denied treatment for life threatening illnesses and videos of nursing staff dancing. The former I can and will be incensed by, the latter really doesn’t faze me.

Chill the fuck out. I am perfectly entitled to feel sceptical about what is happening

@RuffleCrow

Whilst posters on this thread deny there is a problem and fawn over dancing nurses, Dr. Chris Pickering from A&E in Stoke is describing how stroke and heart attack patients are not going to hospital and there is a drastic reduction in patients. When the inevitable inquiry into this fiasco is launched, dancing nurses will correctly be viewed as a symptom of a health service which is failing to treat patients. The denial and aggression on this thread exposes the lethal problem with turning a health care system into a state religion.

"The denial and aggression on this thread exposes the lethal problem with turning a health care system into a state religion."

I'm very pro NHS warts and all but I agree that it is being turned into a religion.

Hopefully Bovary you'll agree that whether nurses dance or go to boring meetings (or go to sales meetings if in the US) is irrelevant

If dancing incenses you wait until you see the colourful scrubs.

He states that stroke and heart attack patients are not attending hospital. Patients are dying because of this

Children have also died because their parents have been hesitant to attend hospital with them.

On the other hand, one parent was on hold to 111 for over an hour resulting in the death of her 3 year old. A 4 year old almost died after paramedics advised that they stay at home and when their condition deteriorated, there were no ambulances available to transport them to hospital.

Some departments are also so busy, that people are dying. The videos do not give a good impression.

@BovaryX, you’re putting the blame in the wrong place. The government has decreed that hospitals clear the decks, both to make room for Covid patients and to protect severely ill patients from exposure to it. The NHS has obeyed the decree. Blame the Secretary of State for Health. It’s not the fault of the NHS and a few dancing nurses are nothing to do with it.

It’s not the fault of the NHS and a few dancing nurses are nothing to do with it

But the videos give the impression that they are making light of a situation which is not funny.

Hopefully Bovary you'll agree that whether nurses dance or go to boring meetings (or go to sales meetings if in the US) is irrelevant

I do not regard it as irrelevant. I regard it as unprofessional and a symptom of a profound malaise which is explicit in the slogan 'protect the NHS.' The health care system should protect its patients. At the moment, the NHS is failing to treat seriously ill patients. Meanwhile, the pot bangers, cheerleaders and cult followers are denying that there is a problem. And an A &E doctor is on Sky News asking people to come to hospital because stroke and heart attack patients are not seeking hospital care. Clap. Clap. The profound dysfunction of the NHS is exposed by this global pandemic.

Both of you are blaming the NHS for implementing the government’s instructions. Why?

The government has decreed that hospitals

I suggest you watch the segment with Dr. Chris Pickering. The government is ultimately responsible because it's perverse messages of 'protect the NHS' has led to people not troubling the health service even if they are critically ill. It is also the fault of NHS management, which should hang its head in shame at the current dysfunctional and lethal situation. But hey. The usual suspects will start banging pots and shrieking abuse and demanding gratitude. I hope heads roll when the inquiry gets underway.

Why is it the fault of NHS management for doing as it’s told? Jesus, this is like drawing teeth.

The government did not instruct heart attack patients to stay away from hospital. Die at home. Protect the NHS. Keep clapping. Clap. Clap. Clap.

DH has been informed of a patient’s death this morning. He treats cancer and this person’s radiotherapy had been postponed. Nobody knows whether the outcome would have been different, but he would at least have been treated - which is surely the very least we should expect from a first world, fit for purpose health service. As that video was posted, the NHS was failing everyone in the country except the relatively small minority with Covid-19 who need hospital admission by some insanely strict criteria. Anyone praising these fuckwits must have Herculean levels of cognitive dissonance

Well said.

The government did not instruct heart attack patients to stay away from hospital

No, it made them fucking terrified of exposure to the virus. Are you now blaming the NHS for people not dialling 999?

FWIW @Alsohuman I completely agree with you.

The anger at these nurses is massively misplaced.

Why is it the fault of NHS management for doing as it’s told?

Can you explain when NHS management was told
to not treat patients with strokes and heart attacks?

As a person who lost a close family member last week to covid I am incensed. My family member was fobbed off, told to ring 111, not to go to hospital, told too stay at home by paramedics and eventually died alone in hospital. We were told it was completely unsafe for us to attend our family member as they died. Imagine that. Imagine the loneliness of the person setting, the horror and guilt of family members. Then look at those hcp's dancing away wearing ppe. It is appalling and a real kick in the gut for families who are grieving. I bloody love the nhs, but the media and orphans machine makes knee rage. It stops us asking questions, questioning the erosion of basic human rights, questioning decisions relating to care. The nhs is now untouchable until this is over and then the nhs will be the fall guy.

The dancing and posting on social media is not appropriate. Our local hospital had a huge gathering yesterday at 8pm. No social distancing, peeps with instruments, people filming, the press. Stop. Think of the dead, their families, the families of those dying because of the stop in care. Where is the empathy ffs. Do the dances, do what you need to relieve the stress, but please stop with the parading, the messiah syndromes and the frivolity on social media.

We are having to manage and plan for unimaginable horror (I speak as an nhs consultant)...whilst being exposed to huge viral load...risking our own and our familes lives...let us be...and be thankful it is not you who has to make these plans and decisions.

Well yes, but that doen't mean posting public videos of staff dancing is ok with everyone. I'm also ex frontline NHS and we got up to all sorts of stuff. But filming it and posting it online for everyone to see whilst thousands of people are dying. No. It being a time of immense pressure for NHS staff doesn't suddenly mean we can behave unprofessionally. Most NHS SM policies would probably result in disciplinary action for doing this in normal times.

Dance if you want but do it in private.

Here you go, from the BBC website.

On Thursday, the Department of Health's Permanent Secretary Richard Pengelly outlined the health service surge plans in a letter to health trust chief executives.

The letter includes more measures to concentrate resources on essential patient care as well as for all spare capacity in residential, nursing and domiciliary care to be used.

Mr Pengelly said it was recognised that, in some cases, this could mean other services are temporarily reduced, as the focus is on providing essential services and helping those at risk access the best treatment.

Are you now blaming the NHS for people not dialling 999?

Just as there are people not seeking medical attention, there are others who are seeking medical attention, and calling 999, only to be told there are no ambulances available. Or being on hold to 111 for so long, that people are dying as a result.

Surely that is the fault of the NHS, and not the Government. There are staff who can clearly be utilised. That’s why the videos are in such bad taste. It gives the wrong impression.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The message rammed home has been protect the NHS. There have been posters on here describing calling 101 and being told if their partner wasn't 'blue' there would be no hospital admission. Do you imagine this is happening in countries with a functioning health service? It is not. When the inquiry into this fiasco is launched, the government, the NHS management, will be hopefully held accountable for their decision. The lethal cost of those decisions will continue to dominate, with cancer deaths as a consequence of delayed, postponed treatment. Dancing nurses and their cheerleaders are a symptom of a recurrent theme in the NHS. Its failure to prioritize patients. That was the conclusion of the Francis Report into the lethal failures in Mid Staffs.

I hate the dancing videos. So many people at home when they need to be earning, businesses going under. Kids no proper education for god knows how long. Haven't seen my mum for over a month. I have read about several teens who have killed themselves because of lock down. Mental health problems are rising. Cancer patients aren't getting treatment. People are scared to go to hospital when they need to. For what.. To protect the NHS from being overwhelmed. Then we see countless videos of dancing nurses in scrubs and PPE prancing around in hospitals where people are dying. It's disgraceful. I'm staying home for this. It doesn't look good does it. Meanwhile covid sufferers are not admitted to hospital until they are turning blue and people in care homes have been abandoned. Fuck off with the disrespectful dance routines in PPE when their own colleagues are dying for lack of it. Protect the NHS? The NHS should be protecting its patients not choreographing stupid dance moves. Very unproffesional

So nurses and doctors aren't allowed to use their own time - breaks, after/before work, etc - to dance and have fun?

Is this all essential workers who can't have fun or just medical ones?

And yes, I know people are ill and dying. My FIL died three weeks ago and my nana is seriously ill in hospital. No one can visit. Only ten could go to the funeral. It's rubbish. But I'm afraid people always die. And life does go on.

I still believe they can dance if they want to! If it helps them stay sane and happy whilst dealing with all this nightmare around them then they definitely should! And