To be sick of 'if you voted for the Tory government then you're a hypocrite for clapping'

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I've seen this a lot on social media, and I didn't vote tory (I voted anyone but tory) but I feel that people are clapping to show they are thankful for the nhs firstly, but also for the other front line workers, the carers and cleaners and bin men and everyone else who is doing their bit.

I'll probably get down voted to hell, but the sanctimonious 'oh you're such a hypocrite ' is just so wearing

If you vote Tory you don’t care about the NHS or babies.
Official Tory policy is to privatise the NHS and other previously nationalised institutions. We are seeing the success of that in the railways, water, telecoms and electricity.
So the end result of voting Tory is underfunding the NHS because it's in their plan.
Now you may vote Tory based on all the other things in their manifesto that you do agree with, and not agree on their NHS stance. But if you voted for them, that's what you got.

If you vote Labour you don’t care about crashing the economy or Jews.
They don't have anti-semetism in their manifesto. That the party is against Jews, and apparently also people of colour, is concerning but that is for the party to sort out. But of course you don't have to vote for them based on that - but it is not their official policy.

Crashing the economy? well that's subjective. I believe that the Tory party will damage the economy due to their wish for unconstrained neo-con policies with regard to business. I don't believe the Labour business policies, on balance are all bad. I don't agree with all but most of them.

If you vote Lib Dem you don’t care about democracy.
Quite clearly not an equivalent statement since they want to reform the voting system in the UK as they, and millions of others believe FPTP is manifestly unfair. It is their party policy.

If you vote SNP you don’t care about anything but separatism.
Also not the only point on their manifesto, but if you're voting for a party with Scottish and National - i think the clue is in the name.

It is the clapping that is wearing. People now clap to have a street party. I can’t stand it.

ghost
It’s not really an opinion is it?
Would you expect someone to get more to run a 5 room guest house or a 60 room hotel as that is exactly what happens with her and her team.
And Matt Hancock didn’t randomly pick on footballers, he was asked a specific question at the end of a long interview. But like most people who just love to take any opportunity to bash this government (who for what it’s worth I don’t think are doing a particularly good job) you don’t let your lack of knowledge or logic prevent your criticisms.

@KathyBriggs360 There's another word for "Public shaming", it's bullying. It's why some people kill themselves. If you were publicly shamed for publicly shaming and bullying others, would you stop? You don't know what's going on in people's lives.

brefugee
Please show me the bit in the Tory manifesto that shows that privatisation of the NHS was a policy?

kathybriggs I don't stand and clap. Never have, never will. There are no rainbows in my window either.
Is your middle name Eva?

It's true though. Tories clapped and cheered when health workers' pay was frozen

To be accurate it was the pay for all public service workers that was frozen. The NHS weren't singled out. I worked for a local authority and had no pay rise for years despite having to take on more and more work as people left and weren't replaced. And no - I'm not comparing that to the life-saving work done by doctors and nurses.

And Kathy - I just read back and saw your post about public shaming someone for not clapping. I am really taken aback at your self-pride over it.
What you did was inappropriate, overbearing, nasty and narcissistic as fuck. Glad you enjoyed it.

Several months on they voted to lift it and nurses were amongst the first to be awarded a pay rise of 6.5 % over 3 years .Funny how that bit never gets a mention.

Funny how Tory supporters never mention that, taken over the period the Conservatives have been in power the rise is below inflation. Or the removal of bursaries.

sorry - meant to write up there: that everyone is entitled to vote for who they want to and there is a reason that voting isn't in public.

As PP mentioned: the best bet for everyone would be to put pressure on ALL parties to better fund and better organise the NHS so that it doesn't become such a polarising manifesto issue.

KathyBriggs - i live in Germany and on internet debates i often get people asking me how i can live with Nazis and the groupthink that allowed the Stasi.
It took quite a few years for Hitler and his ideas to catch on, and the Stasi only really got going a couple of years after the DDR was founded.

How long have you lot been in "lockdown"? a couple of weeks and we get the type of shit stunt that you pulled. Hang your head in shame.

How ungrateful does a person have to be not to take two miserly minutes out of their pathetic day just to show their gratitude for the heroic women out there putting their lives on the line so that you can see your loved ones again.

IDK: paying tax, NI and keeping to the lockdown rules so as not to put a strain on the NHS? is that enough?

@KathyBriggs360, you wouldn't last on our local Facebook group, due to the fact that we don't allow bullying.

And Matt Hancock didn’t randomly pick on footballers, he was asked a specific question at the end of a long interview.

And his response was to suggest they took a pay cut. He chose to say that. The length of the interview was irrelevant - he's paid enough he should be able to answer what was a fairly easy question in the grand scheme of things.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/04/matt-hancock-scored-an-own-goal-with-his-cheap-shot-at-footballers

This

And just look at how caring the Labour London Mayor is - his handling of the crisis by packing the tube trains is genius

Nice to see that despite the differences on this board everyone is in agreement that kathy is an evil bully.

brefugee wow people still come up with that crap? Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of Germany knows of their shame at that period of history for example the fact that holocaust denial is a crime.

100% agree with you, OP. The amount of people who spend their time virtue signalling on MN that they voted Labour and therefore are beyond reproach makes me sick. Anyone who thinks Labour would have had the ability to do things differently is delusional. The economy is in a shit state - our debt is out of control - and all public funding is therefore under stress. That includes the NHS, police and fire service unfortunately.
Under Jeremy Corbyn Labour was rife with bullying and antisemitism that went unchecked by him. Still not people I would want to run the country.
People do not vote on the NHS alone. They vote for someone they think will run the country better than the other candidates. That is often the 'best of a bad bunch'.
You are not a 'better' person because you didn't vote Tory. You don't 'care' more about the NHS. You just like feeling smug and superior, apparently.
And, no, I didn't vote Tory. At the last General Election, for the first time in my adult life, I didn't vote. I looked at the candidates and thought 'none of the above, I don't respect or trust any of you.'

@KathyBriggs360 I'm beyond appalled at your action. There is no law, no compulsion for anyone to clap. And the fact that you named and shamed this woman to the point that she felt she had to apologise (when she had nothing to apologise for) is one of the worst things I've ever seen posted on MumsNet. On our FB group you'd be deleted and banned for that.

Ghost Thats hardly an insightful article. “ Footballers don’t set pay” FFS.
I know footballers don’t have a reputation for being the brightest but they surely know they are some of the highest paid people in the world and that they depend in football as an “industry”and taxpayers have other priorities.

Yeah they're so self righteous it's sooooo boring and unoriginal

Anyone who thinks Labour would have had the ability to do things differently is delusional.

Err, locking the country down prior to Cheltenham, Crufts, European football matches would have been a start. Taking notice of Operation Cygnus might have helped - they only had 4 years. I don't think it would take a particularly astute politican to do these very simple things.

Everyone's already said it but l also find @KathyBriggs360 pride in I made a post on Facebook last night about a woman who lives near me who hasn't come out of her house once to clap the NHS and somehow it got to the point where she ended up commenting and apologising for her behaviour. Public shaming absolutely works and it needs to be taken seriously more as a political weapon to submit most of the working class up North what level of apology did you accept? You Kathy are chilling if this is something you actually did.

I know footballers don’t have a reputation for being the brightest but they surely know they are some of the highest paid people in the world and that they depend in football as an “industry”and taxpayers have other priorities.

Footballers aren't the problem - it was the premier league clubs furloughing lower paid staff that was bad PR. The same critiscism could be levelled at big business with massive turnovers also furloughing. Footballers were an easy scapegoat. Captialism now wants another socialist bailout.

All those who voted tory were happy with the cuts said who? Maybe they voted Torie as they were so disgusted with what Blair did to this country and indeed the world!
A war, billions wasted on middle managers in the nhs, 32000 nhs beds cut.
Politics isn’t black and white. It is possible people vote for a local mp who has been of direct benefit to them/ their area.

Official Tory policy is to privatise the NHS err where is this written? Such rubbish.

The NHS was underfunded under Labour also. All this political point scoring is just false.

Really though, the real hypocrites in this are the ones who misuse and abuse the NHS, at the GP for every ingrown toenail and sniffle that they get, every inappropriate attendee at A&E. I know a couple of such folk and to see their fake gushing over the NHS really pisses me off. If you really want to support the NHS, don't take it for granted!

@ScouseQueen no but if they were shamed on social media then they would probably think twice about voting Tory again. I made a post on Facebook last night about a woman who lives near me who hasn't come out of her house once to clap the NHS and somehow it got to the point where she ended up commenting and apologising for her behaviour. Public shaming absolutely works and it needs to be taken seriously more as a political weapon to submit most of the working class up North who betrayed their ideals and voted Conservative.

The fuck I just read here?