To be sick of 'if you voted for the Tory government then you're a hypocrite for clapping'

[ScarletFever]

I've seen this a lot on social media, and I didn't vote tory (I voted anyone but tory) but I feel that people are clapping to show they are thankful for the nhs firstly, but also for the other front line workers, the carers and cleaners and bin men and everyone else who is doing their bit.

I'll probably get down voted to hell, but the sanctimonious 'oh you're such a hypocrite ' is just so wearing

YABU
This government said they would be not discussing pay rises for NHS and care staff, "as now was not the time", but had no problem awarding themselves £10 000 extra in expenses no questions asked for working FROM HOME

A pandemic is one of the UK's biggest threats to national security and was listed as such, during routine audits the government was told 3-4 years ago they were not prepared and what steps to take to do so which included procuring more ventilators but they chose not because it was too expensive

Refusing to join the EU in purchasing PPE based on ideology and the excuse it went to a no longer functioning email address is incompetence at the finest even if true

10 years of chronic underfunding and pushing for privatisation

I fail to see how a vote for Tories is not mutually exclusive for caring about the NHS

I suppose the pristine thing to do would be pushing for the Tories to make a commitment to preserving and funding the NHS.

The disaster capitalists may well try to find a way to privatise it after this.

Positive not pristine ffs

And @Blubelle7 the £10k was to set up remote working. Most will go on staff, telecoms etc. It's not going on mps pockets

@ludicrouslemons

I did say £10000 extra in expenses which suggests it is not going to their pockets but made available for working from home expenses. My point is they made that money available instantaneously but will not even discuss key workers on minimum wage whereas MPs and their staff are better paid and will likely already have access to equipment, WiFi etc anyway a d even if they didn't why can't it come from their normal expense budget as they are saving on other costs by not going into the office.

By contrast the New Zealand PM and her cabinet have taken 20% paycuts in solidarity with the rest of the country, and we have awarded MPs extra expense money.

YMMV but no guesses there for for which government actually cares

no but if they were shamed on social media then they would probably think twice about voting Tory again. I made a post on Facebook last night about a woman who lives near me who hasn't come out of her house once to clap the NHS and somehow it got to the point where she ended up commenting and apologising for her behaviour

@KathyBriggs360

You and your sad little social media denunciations. Take a long hard look in the mirror.

Clapping is nice and gives everyone involved warm fuzzies but cold hard cash is what puts food on the table for key workers. If you vote for people who cheer when nurses don’t get a pay rise, call food banks ‘uplifting’ and work with Atlantic Bridge with the aim to sell the NHS to the Americans (and look how well the healthcare system in the richest country is doing) then you are a massive hypocrite for clapping for lowly paid nurses and other key workers who are risking their lives to save yours or keep you fed.

I was disgusted when Theresa May made comments about their bring no magic money tree when the nurses asked for a pay rise. Her tone couldn’t have been more sneery if she’d tried. I would never vote for anyone involved in the current Tory cabinet.

Ex NHS worker, DH senior post in the NHS....we don’t clap.....KathyBriggs you disgust me.

Votes matter and it’s high time people realised you don’t get to vote for people and claim they are nothing to do with you when it goes to shit. The people who voted for this strange iteration of the Conservatives cannot walk away whistling saying ‘nothing to do with me’ when we end up with the highest death rate in Europe and lots of dead healthcare professionals who don’t have the right equipment. I’d be embarrassed to clap if I voted for Johnson.

KathyBriggs what a bullying thing to do. I'm surprised she didn't tell you to fuck off to your face. Jesus!

and it’s high time people realised you don’t get to vote for people

Tellmethetruth

Actually, in a democracy that's precisely what people get to do. And in December the voters in the UK gave the Conservatives an 80 seat majority. I imagine many of those voters are currently relieved that Corbyn and momentum are not in situ during this pandemic. As for the clapping? It is morphing into a peculiar cult with social media enforcers, some of whom are bragging about their denunciations on this thread. Not a good look.

@KathyBriggs360 what are Stasi salaries like these days?

Voting for a party that has ideologically run down public services not just the NHS over a decade and then banging a few pots in "appreciation" of NHS workers is odd.

Banging pots is odd in and of itself.

Personally I would prefer if we paid more tax as a society to properly fund the NHS, social care, and other services. I think it would lead to a fairer, kinder society. But people don’t vote for parties that do that.

Some of neighbours who have been very definitely breaking the lockdown with people over constantly are the biggest hypocrites

bluebelle that money (ill advised a decision as it was) was awarded by an independent body- nothing to do with the govt at all. It remains to be seen how many MPs will take it as it all has to be justified with receipts.

It is also ridiculous to compare Jacinda Ardern to our MPs. Even with the cut she will earn nearly 30k more than our PM for running a country with 1/12 of the population of the UK.

It is also ridiculous to compare Jacinda Ardern to our MPs. Even with the cut she will earn nearly 30k more than our PM for running a country with 1/12 of the population of the UK.

Its a bit more complicated than that...

www.cityam.com/general-election-2019-boris-johnson-tops-list-of-mps-for-outside-earnings/

The concern for me is that so many people seem to feel they are doing their bit by clapping for a couple of minutes a week, and yet still supporting the government who’ve put the NHS into such a weak position that staff have been risking their lives unnecessarily.

Will those clapping remember this when it comes time to vote? Will they care enough to vote for a party who will properly fund the NHS when they no longer have immediate concerns for their health? I doubt it.

So many of the key workers now being hailed as heroes - supermarket staff, carers, HCAs etc - have been treated appallingly by this government and by society.

Will people remember? Will they care enough to actually do something? The fact that there are so many on this thread still posting in support of this government tells me many won’t.

People should be looking around right now and realising how precarious things after a decade of austerity and yet it’s still not apparent to so many. I’ve seen so many posts from people in shock at the low level of SSP and UC but when this is over will they think about those still living on such a pittance?

Clap all you want but if you genuinely want to show gratitude, there are far better ways.

KathyBriggs Attempting to publicly shame someone for voting Tory is likely to ensure only that they're less likely to vote for your preferred party in future, since they will associate it with nasty bullies. Shaming someone for not clapping?! I find it hard to believe your post is real since I don't want to think there are people with such a scarily conformist attitude around.

I don't clap. I think it's very silly. I don't really judge other people who do, unless they're the idiots congregating in crowds to do it. If you lived near me, you could try to shame me all you wanted - I don't have Facebook or anything like it, so I'd never know or care.

ghost no it isn’t.
The previous poster cited Ardern and her govt as paragons of virtue for cutting their pay. It’s easy to cut pay when you are massively overpaid for running a minute country.
Yes Johnson earns a lot elsewhere but most other govt ministers don’t and the comment was aimed at all of them as an example of how much NZ politicians care. I cited the PM as I had The stats on him but the same is true of the other govt members salaries.

It’s easy to cut pay when you are massively overpaid for running a minute country.

Thats your personal opinion. The PM and ministers are well paid, some like Johnson will have other income streams. They'll do well after Politics too. Taking a paycut is a nice gesture when millions are struggling. Deflecting onto Premier League footballers (many of whom will have humble, working class backgrounds - unlike Tory Ministers) as Hancock did was pathethic attempt at deflection.

KathyBriggs360 - you sound like the kind of person who would have joined the Hitler Youth and turned your own parents in. Sinister as fuck. Just out of interest, what are your qualifications for being self-appointed person who gets to decide what everyone else on the street thinks and does? If anyone should be ashamed it’s Facebook fascists like you.

Must admit we did comment amongst ourselves in here, on the second week of clapping (or rather, being seen clapping on social media), about the inanity of Tory voters applauding the staff of the NHS.
The hypocrisy did not pass us by. It’s an obvious observation...and yes, it has been made on a larger scale countrywide. Good.