To think that a lot of people secretly resent the presence of "Chinese" people

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DH, of Chinese ethnicity, was returning home from work one afternoon, walking through a once busy part of town. As he socially distanced past the only person in sight she began racially abusing him that people like him had brought the virus into the country . He said that initially he was aghast before telling her to "fuck right off". She may not have expected such a retort as she hurried off without a response.
I do get the sense that there is unspoken hostility toward people of Chinese ethnicity here.

Yes, racist. Because the assumption being made is that all Chinese people must be barbaric because they must all take part in the dog festival. That's the ultimate example of racism. Tarring everyone from a particular race with the same brush.

"Look where slavery came from."

do you mean you think slavery was invented by Great Britain?

I have a huge problem with China, not Chinese people.

@Soontobe60
Because the assumption being made is that all Chinese people must be barbaric because they must all take part in the dog festival.

Read my post below and please point out where I made that assumption?

Automatically being disparaging about the food choices certain cultures make is inherently racist.

Isn't this what vegans do about carnivores with impunity?

Obviously animal welfare standards, or lack thereof, should be open to criticism. Obviously.

@MarginalGain yes slavery was invented by the British Empire. Before then there things like indentured servitude or forms of forced labour but it was the British who first started shipping people en mass to a whole other continent in order to keep the wheels of colonialism going.

Also, did you know that Hitler got the idea of concentration camps from the British? Yeah that's right it came from this country, doesn't that make you proud? You should think about that the next time you want to say something racist about Chinese society.

@KathyBriggs360

All of those things are true. They also all happened over a centuary ago and in no way reflect modern British values any more than the acts of the Chinese Empire reflects modern Chinese communism. We're discussing contemporary actions and practices and that includes accepting that racism occurs in both China and Britain rather than trying to instigate a competition for who is the 'worst'.

@kathybriggs

Yes, the kind of slavery practiced by the romans, Greeks, Arabs, Africans, Indians, native Americans, Chinese, and everyone else was much different! The slaves were happy and it was a respected part of the traditional cultures in this place.

It was definitely the British that invented the bad kind of slavery. No doubt.

@Veterinari have you ever been to China? If not then how would you possibly know if China is a racist country. All you will have heard has been filtered through a Western lens and is essentially just propaganda. I've done my research and I've discovered China is actually a wonderful country with the most amazing caring people and you would be shocked at how superior they are to a supposedly civilised society like here in the UK.

British people are the most racist people on the face of the earth. Look where slavery came from.

Every country has some problem with racism.

And of the places I've lived Britain is the safest I've felt. There are some idiots but I've not been scared for my life or denied work/medical treatment.

And slavery was hardly invented by the British. Who do you think was selling the african slaves? Other africans.

I've done my research and I've discovered China is actually a wonderful country with the most amazing caring people and you would be shocked at how superior they are

Lol, now you have laid it on a bit too thick! But otherwise nice trolling!

Jesus, spot the CCP bot...

@MarginalGain yes slavery was invented by the British Empire. Before then there things like indentured servitude or forms of forced labour but it was the British who first started shipping people en mass to a whole other continent in order to keep the wheels of colonialism going.

Are you not familiar with the Roman slave trade in service of their empire?

I think a lot of people feel very angry by what has happened and blame the wet markets or the lab it escaped from. I do think China has a bad reputation internationally as a government

You therefore then have narrow minded and bigoted people who are too short sighted to see past that. It was always that way and always will be but I believe these people are in a minority. I’m very sorry but husband was treated that way. FWIW I hear a lot of anti-chinese government sentiment but never any racist remarks about Chinese people.

Yes, the kind of slavery practiced by the romans, Greeks, Arabs, Africans, Indians, native Americans, Chinese, and everyone else was much different! The slaves were happy and it was a respected part of the traditional cultures in this place.

@Veterinari

I didn't say that you'd made the assumption. I was talking in general terms.
My point isn't that animal welfare shouldn't be challenged, it absolutely should. My point is that assuming a whole race takes part in practices that I may believe to be wrong is, by definition, racist.
Rather than prefacing the debate with 'Chinese people eating dog...' just get straight to the subject, i.e. 'eating dog...'
Sorry if I'm not articulating very well!

The Atlantic slave trade started with Potugal. Slavery, along with prostitution, war and ignorance, predates the first records ever kept.

If you were educated in the UK, it is a shameful legacy.

@KathyBriggs360
You make a lot of assumptions
Yes I lived there and have experienced racism first hand.

Even if I hadn't, then to claim that racism doesn't exist in China is ludicrous - the treatment of the Uighur people demonstrates that (a situation interestingly where China is using concentration camps in the present day under the guise of 're-education) and currently there is a lot of anti-foreigner sentiment directed mostly towards black people. That isn't propaganda - it's the lived experience of my friends and colleagues and does not indicate a 'superior' society to me - but then we clearly have different values.

In terms of propaganda the Chinese gov are pretty good at that - I have friends who don't believe the Tiannamen square massacre happened or that the current suppression exists - even very recently we've seen the impact of suppression when the government threatened whistle-blowing doctors as dissenters. If this is the sign of a 'superior' country then I want no part of it.

That doesn't mean China isn't a wonderful country in many other ways, but it's certainly not perfect (neither is the UK) and I don't see how your points about the actions of the British empire are reflective of British people today. You might want to reflect and research these issues critically.

My experience having lived in China is that there's a lot more propaganda inside China than outside. On a day to day basis the rest of the world really isn't that bothered about what goes on in China.

In my town we have a nail bar. Under the Covid 19 closure notice, they have stuck a sign saying ‘We Are From Vietnam’ which made me feel really sad, as it suggests they’d been getting grief from local idiots.

Thick and scared is a horrible combination.

I've done my research and I've discovered China is actually a wonderful country with the most amazing caring people and you would be shocked at how superior they are to a supposedly civilised society like here in the UK.

@Soontobe60

Fair enough, and I agree entirely about generalising, but my point is that I don't think anyone on this thread has made that assumption. That generalisation has come from you. Where dog/cat eating has been mentioned it's with reference to Yulin which is a (localised) Chinese festival.
However it definitely does occur in other countries.

I agree it isn't helpful. Neither is the use of the term race. There's only one race - the human race, within that we have ethic and cultural groupings.

@KathyBriggs360
Out of interest what 'research' have you done?

You do seem to have skipped a few topics....

MarginalGain
Isn't this what vegans do about carnivores with impunity?
This is a completely different matter. You cannot compare this to the topic in hand.
And do you mean omnivores?

This is a completely different matter. You cannot compare this to the topic in hand.
And do you mean omnivores?

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Why can't I compare the two?

KathyBriggs360 has no time for research on the history of Slavery - she's far too busy and preoccupied with monitoring, harassing and bullying her neighbours who do not clap the NHS on Thursdays .......... as she gleefully proclaimed on another thread!

YABU to say lots of people have an issue with Chinese people.

You would not BU to say that SOME people have an issue with Chinese people because a minority of people are ignorant racists.

There's a lot of threads at the moment that seem to be 'why do teachers...' (really my DC's teacher), 'why cyclists...' (I've seen a handful of cyclists), 'why do runners...' (a couple of runners this week during my daily walks). It's not hard to realise that having a negative interaction with one person doesn't mean anyone sharing the same quality needs a thread generalising about them.