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To think that leaving bags of dogshit on the floor when you go for a walk

328 replies

Member869894 · 15/04/2020 23:34

...ground, even if you intend to pick them up on your way back is selfish and inconsiderate of others

OP posts:
LaurieMarlow · 17/04/2020 15:02

They absolutely know it’s the act of a selfish scumbag.

They want to continue with their selfish scumbag behaviour, but not get called on it.

PapayaCoconut · 17/04/2020 15:04

You can argue yourself blue in the face but what you're doing is pretty much the definition of antisocial behaviour. Because it pisses people off - that is what antisocial means.

ntisocial
/antɪˈsəʊʃ(ə)l/
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adjective
1.
contrary to the laws and customs of society, in a way that causes annoyance and disapproval in others.

Hope that helps.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/04/2020 15:06

Well, as a previous poster pointed out, not clearing up after your dog is an offence, as is littering, so I guess regardless of your personal opinion, it has been decided that it's not okay.

Maybe it's okay to take someones bicycle on the basis that you are putting it back later so it's not really stealing, or throwing eggs at someones window, 'cos it'll wash off and you were going to come back and do it later/forgot to come back later.

Mittens030869 · 17/04/2020 15:06

I have a friend who walks her dog to a local field with her 3 DDs. She always brings extra bags so she can clear up the shit from other dogs whose owners don't clear it away. She does it because otherwise her DDs might step in it without seeing it. So you're inconveniencing other responsible dog owners. Why should she have to worry about her DDs stepping in the shit produced by dogs that are not her own?

As for bagging it, as has been said too often it's left there and if the bag breaks then it's a sticky and revolting mess.

There are normally plenty of poo bins out and about but, even if there aren't, there's still no excuse. I haven't had a dog as an adult (I'm happy with 3 cats), but when my DDs were in nappies, I frequently carried dirty nappies back home to dispose of them there. (A lot of baby and toddler groups don't want poo filled nappies left in their bins.

LaurieMarlow · 17/04/2020 15:06

I think it’s fine

Okay, if you’re sticking to this line of argument ...

Should I have had to pick up someone else’s disgusting bag of shit in the park today?

They may have been coming back for it (i doubt it, but for the purposes of argument)

my toddler was heading straight for it regardless of their plans.

Was that something I should have had to do, or should the dog owners themselves take responsibility for their own pollution?

5zeds · 17/04/2020 15:09

Well, as a previous poster pointed out, not clearing up after your dog is an offence, as is littering, so I guess regardless of your personal opinion, it has been decided that it's not okay. but the OP is asking for people’s opinions!

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/04/2020 15:15

but the OP is asking for people’s opinions!

yes, she was, and?

The thread has moved way on from that now. You are of course allowed to disagree and also to disagree with anything that has been decided is an offence. What you aren't allowed to do is actually commit the offence. Your argument seems to be that it's okay and not antisocial but the fact that is an offence is precisely because it's antisocial.

So, in conclusion, you can believe and say what you want, it doesn't make it true and you can't do what you believe is okay as it's an offence.

5zeds · 17/04/2020 15:17

But I’ve said repeatedly I don’t do this because my dog shits at home. I don’t mind if others do it.

I don’t mind people taking small children on planes or out to restaurants either.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/04/2020 15:23

I've not said you do 5zeds and it's great that you don't. I'm saying that it doesn't really matter what your view or whether it bothers you, as littering and not clearing up from your dog are offences. Taking a small child on a plane or into a restaurant could result in antisocial behaviour but it's not usually an offence and doesn't normally cause a public health hazard.

5zeds · 17/04/2020 15:30

Thanks. You’ve cleared up everything. I’m allowed (wow!) to think what I like but it doesn’t really matter what I think because what you think is right! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ridiculous.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/04/2020 15:33

No, it's not right because I think it is, it's right because society has deemed it thus and I agree...

Sunshine1235 · 17/04/2020 15:46

Erghh can’t believe this thread (although I can because I’ve been on walks and see the turd trees 🤢).

If you own a dog you should be able to stomach carrying a bag of dog poo on your walk, stop ruining the countryside/woods etc for everyone else

Mittens030869 · 17/04/2020 16:00

@5zeds

Fair enough if that behaviour doesn't bother you. But your comparison with children on planes or in restaurants doesn't work, surely you can see that? Parents are perfectly entitled to travel with their DC on planes or take them into restaurants for a meal. It's perfectly legal if they pay for them to be there. (It's inconsiderate to other people if they do nothing to control their behaviour obviously, and very annoying, but it's nevertheless legitimate, unless the behaviour of their children becomes unsafe.)

Whereas leaving dog shit in bags to pick up later is not legal and is considered anti-social behaviour, which is why dog owners do it on the sly. (I'm sure that if it was parents leaving nappy bags to be picked up later, there would be far fewer posters trying to defend them. Hmm)

5zeds · 17/04/2020 16:25

But OP wasn’t asking what was legal, she was asking what people thought, ie for their opinion. There are lots of legal, socially accepted, things that people have and do disagree with.

AmelieTaylor · 17/04/2020 18:28

@EmbarrassedUser

& so you should be...

I don't have a dog. HTH

bringincrazyback · 17/04/2020 19:13

But I’ve said repeatedly I don’t do this because my dog shits at home. I don’t mind if others do it.
I don’t mind people taking small children on planes or out to restaurants either.

Yeah, that's the same.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/04/2020 19:15

But OP wasn’t asking what was legal, she was asking what people thought, ie for their opinion.

Yes and we all have given our opinion. That doesn't change the law though.

There are lots of legal, socially accepted, things that people have and do disagree with.

Indeed there are and despite people not liking them there is nothing legally that can be enforced. People can be asked not to be such a git though, sometimes that works. Or people could campaign for a change in the law and that might work.

bringincrazyback · 17/04/2020 19:15

If you own a dog you should be able to stomach carrying a bag of dog poo on your walk, stop ruining the countryside/woods etc for everyone else

^ This!
I wouldn't be able to stomach it, but that's one of the reasons I don't have a dog. If I did I wouldn't dream of leaving its shit lying around, bagged or not.
'Own your shit', so to speak (well, your dog's, but YKWIM).

5zeds · 17/04/2020 19:53

That was rather the point @WaxOnFeckOff Confused you express an opinion of “laws” that you feel are unreasonable. People ask each other what they think would be a good solution and social expectations change.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/04/2020 20:13

But virtually no-one thinks this law is unreasonable and most of the ones that think it's okay are the people that are breaching the law. You've said that you don't and I have no reason at all to disbelieve you, you've said you don't mind people leaving it and coming back, again no reason to disbelieve that that is your view. However, do you actually think the law should be changed or just that dog owners should be given special dispensation/an exception from the litter law for dog shite?

Other than personal convenience to dog walkers, there is no argument that can be claimed in support of allowing people to leave little bags of faeces in public areas. The law is there to protect everyone and I cannot see there being enough people in support of allowing this to happen. That if nothing else indicates that it is antisocial and in addition illegal.

I'm going to stop now as it's pointless, you can argue white is black all day and also that you don't mind if your black looks white to everyone else, that's fine but it doesn't change the fact that it's white.

LaurieMarlow · 17/04/2020 20:20

Other than personal convenience to dog walkers, there is no argument that can be claimed in support of allowing people to leave little bags of faeces in public areas

This.

There is no logical position to defend here. So 5zeds is okay with it only because they’re okay with people being selfish gobshites.

Discuss.

5zeds · 17/04/2020 21:00

The pole says 10% aren’t bothered.

Are you looking for me to change my morning and and suddenly think it’s disgusting and froth with you? It’s a difference of opinion, nothing more.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/04/2020 21:56

Dog ownership in the uk is approx 25%

Worriedmum54321 · 17/04/2020 22:20

Dog shit is gross - that's why I don't have a dog. Some dog owners don't mind carrying a bag of shit round with them - those people should be allowed to own dogs. Other dog owners think it's too disgusting to carry themselves, but somehow that other people who have decided against having a dog won't mind passing bags full of shit as they go about their daily exercise. Erm what? Can you not see the illogical nature of this argument?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 17/04/2020 23:41

It’s disgusting especially hanging it on a tree it’s absolutely vile

I’m sure many conveniently forgot

Take out another bag to put the poo bag on and carry around your dog hour deal with it’s poo