To wonder how schools can realistically reopen when there is still a killer virus about with no vaccine?

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I’m not talking about them reopening now, in May or June or even September.

Who is prepared to send their DC into a school with hundreds of other DC, where social distancing and keeping a germ free environment is literally impossible, even with the best wills in the world, when there is a life threatening disease floating about which is highly transmittable and you have no guarantee it won’t make your DC severely ill or die.

Social distancing just between parents will be impossible at my DC’s school of over 500 where we all have to wait outside the main gates at pick up time.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m desperate for schools to reopen before my DC turn completely feral, but I don’t see how that can happen until we have a vaccine. We’re being told to stay home and keep our distance now due to the risk, the risk will be the same next month or in 5 months won’t it?

A major problem with re-opening schools is going to be staffing. Social distancing is all but impossible, and schools need adults not just the children.

Since they don't have a vaccine for any existing coronavirus, where is this magical vaccine going to appear from?

Its interesting thinking of different ways schools could open and do social distancing at the same time if it becomes clear thats whats needed. Our classrooms would allow 8 pupils at a time for instance, but there are 3 classroom that are used for other things normally, and the hall and outdoor area too which we could add in with slighly more capacity. So we could have half the pupils site (each school would be different) Then there is how you do that fairly and make sure its really cleaned between halves as everyone touchs things. I think youd have to scrap playtimes to have less mixing and meal times would be different, which makes me feel two half day sessions would work (morning pupils and afternoon pupils) then you'd still need distance learning for the other bits of ghe day. Then how you protect staff more. Its infants so they do cough in your face, pull at your clothes.
So many different scenarious to think about.

I’ll say it again, you do realise there’s a chance there will never be an effective vaccine? Then what do we do?

What a fucking stupid analogy

It’s not a stupid analogy at all.

I’ve absolutely no idea why we’ve collectively decided to ignore the significant risks from traffic.

Yes I know. My dd has asthma and when schools open she will go back. Because the overall picture is that it isn't much good for her being at home watching screens while I try to work. And if the schools open I will have to be working properly, I can't take endless time off.

Life is risky. Even with the extra risks, the risk is still relatively low.

@HoffiCoffi13 that is very unlikely.

We do not have a vaccine for colds because it mutates so quickly. There is no sign of this with corona. It has mutated once, so it will probably need an annual vaccine like flu.

that is very unlikely

There are no guarantees at all.

And it may well take years and years,

4% of the UK population is nowhere near 16.98 million so any calculations being based on that are wrong.

t’s not a stupid analogy at all. I’ve absolutely no idea why we’ve collectively decided to ignore the significant risks from traffic

Yes....because shoving hundreds of kids into a school with all of the teachers, support staff and parents coming and going while a deadly virus is rampant is exactly the same as the risk of getting run over by a fucking car.

@BreathlessCommotion I suspect the asthma your daughter has is very mild. Otherwise I doubt you would be so blase about the risks.

Pebble uk I think that is New York and they shut schools awhile ago. I can’t see anywhere they say it’s because they were working at the opened regional centres or if they simply reported as a Department that is how many members died.

Half seemed to be what they term para professionals or low income workers and the link seems to be there

If we wait though until end June presumably though there is no virus around to transmit which is the plan isn’t it. And then contain smaller outbreaks

@HoffiCoffi13 - even if a vaccine isn't forthcoming, there will be people who are immune. Assuming we can get immunity from this by contracting it and surviving...if we can't we're all on the highway to hell in a handcart anyway so education will be the least of our worries.

@Ihavenoregrets It's your lack of understanding of risks and dangers that's stupid. Check the stats and move on from your ignorance!

There's no guarantee of a vaccine ever. How many years do you think you'll last distancing?

Some of us are key workers who still have to put our children in school, commute on overcrowded and slower than grass grow public transport and are constantly exposed to this virus at work and getting to work. It gives you some perspective.

If you're a keyworker whose child is going to school anyway* then how is opening it up to all children and increasing the spread of the virus going to make your life any better.

• thus proving that school are still open.

@HoffiCoffi13 what happens if we never find an effective vaccine? Then I guess eugenics win in the end and only the healthy and robust will survive.

We take measures to reduce car deaths such as using car seats for kids. This is more comparable to everyone driving, no drink driving laws, no car seats and no seat belts.
Even where there is a vaccine there will still be a risk, it is about reducing it to as low a level as possible.

The point of lockdown isn’t to stop EVERYONE from getting the virus

lol, finally some people on MN are finally accepting the reality. The lockdown is essentially only in place for MN users. There was uproar here, the govt blinked and shut the schools.
As soon as you guys get real, we can get on with life.

Why can’t people defend going back to schools without trying to downplay how dangerous covid is?

flatten the curve.... is also a phrase I repeat,... with the best of em

Yes....because shoving hundreds of kids into a school with all of the teachers, support staff and parents coming and going while a deadly virus is rampant is exactly the same as the risk of getting run over by a fucking car.

1.35 million die globally on the roads. So much, much worse than CV.

www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index.html

I really despair of people’s ability to understand risk.

Thank you for answering @Frozenfan2019

@nobodyimportant because we have to get the least vulnerable people back to work or there will be no money in the system to pay for all the things we reply on. We can’t afford to stay in lockdown for a year or more.