Will Boris now fund the NHS properly?

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Today’s papers are reporting that Boris can’t thank his doctors and nurses enough and that he is crediting the NHS with saving his life. AIBU to wonder if the PM will now have a change of heart and fund the NHS properly and reward all its workers with the pay rise he voted down before?

How much will it cost to fund it properly ?

they won’t. they have clapped and told all nhs workers they are heros. being called a hero usually goes with crap working conditions

The NHS has apparently been at risk of privatisation for decades yet the primary involvement of the private sector has been via PFI under Labour.

Quite a lot of health provision is already private. GP surgeries, dentistry, opticians, all private. What's wrong with efficient private provision of services where it's the best solution?

The NHS seems massively inefficient e.g. IT and procurement so unless this is addressed, then why should further monies be tipped into it?

I have recently been in hospital and the staff were wonderful so I'm pro NHS but I'm also not pro chucking money down a pit.

Johnson is a sound bites man, lots of claps and ‘jolly good job’ for the the NHS but I doubt there will be a Damascus moment.

The narrative of ‘Boris the fighter’ is already being set if you look at the DM online today.

I think the NHS needs an overhaul as there are numerous problems.

Privatisation/outsourcing (remember Carillion?) and I only recently found out that 111 is a private service.

More funding - maybe that £350m?

More investment in home training - return of bursaries, reverse reduction in dr training spaces etc

Centralised procurement.

Reverse closure of A&Es, walk in centres etc.

Investment in social care/mental health etc

Reduction in non-jobs if possible.

A PP mentioned how increasing corp tax, reducing tax havens can help raise money.

That’s almost all I can think of.

Face it. You lost.

Lost what? Are you on the right thread?

The NHS seems massively inefficient e.g. IT and procurement so unless this is addressed, then why should further monies be tipped into it?

I thought recent studies into comparable healthcare systems showed the NHS to be among the most efficient?

www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/big-election-questions-nhs-international-comparisons

But comparisons on outcomes and staffing beds are not so good and thats down to money.

@FamilyOfAliens no I don't have a link for the waste in schools but my family and I have been involved with enough schools over the years (as parents and as employees/governors/volunteers) to have seen many examples of it.

FamilyOfAliens no I don't have a link for the waste in schools but my family and I have been involved with enough schools over the years (as parents and as employees/governors/volunteers) to have seen many examples of it.

So no evidence, then, just as I thought.

Maybe he will maybe he won't. His misinterpretation of herd immunity meant so many vulnerable people were exposed unnecessarily.

Anecdotal and first hand evidence is not the same as no evidence.

Why would he?

Boris would have paid privately for healthcare if that were the best option in terms of optics and availability of services.

It's in his interests to praise the NHS anyway at the moment and he can obviously do it from a personal perspective, which is an advantage in giving weight to his largely empty words.

Anyone who sees his comments of thanks as a genuine turning point in Tory ideology is in la la land.

No. He's a Tory.

I can't see the government doing it they'll say they have now invested on an unprecedented scale so no more needed. A relative who is a manager in the NHS is using this time to make changes that would have been held up by beauracracy and also purchasing as much new equipment as possible. After its over she expects that purse to be well and truly zipped shut and thrown in the bin!

The government will have to slash taxes for small to medium businesses and the self employed to get the economy running again. The coffers will be lighter for a while to get the economy going again so that in future years there will be some money in the pot. There isn't a big pile of money lying around gathering dust waiting to be spent every year on the NHS.

He will invest more in the NHS and raise taxes if he thinks that will help him get re-elected

Face it. You lost

Are you yet another of those ignorant bores who think democracy is a finite process?

There’s more to it than just money. Chucking money at the nhs doesn’t fill the thousands of nursing vacancies they already have (and are funded for)

The thing is, we’ve been hearing that the tories are going to sell off the nhs for decades now, and they still haven’t done it.

So people just roll their eyes now.

I think it’s piss poor management rather than lack of funding.

Too many pen pushing middle management, not enough front line staff.

Get the sisters back running the wards, people with actual experience

There’s more to it than just money. Chucking money at the nhs doesn’t fill the thousands of nursing vacancies they already have (and are funded for)

Have the medical unions stopped objecting to increasing training places? There was a time when they vetoed the increase in medical school places.

Too many pen pushing middle management, not enough front line staff

Rubbish! did you read the link on NHS efficiency?

You need great management to avoid costly mistakes in not ordering equipment such as PPE or paying through the nose for non generic medicines.

NHS is one of the worst funded healthcare systems in Europe, that is an indisputable fact.... one that Tory voters seem unable to grasp.

Rubbish! did you read the link on NHS efficiency?

I’m just repeating what I’ve heard from someone with first hand experience, who says that too many inefficient procedures happen simply because ‘that’s how it’s always been done’.

I trust what they tell me, there’s no need to lie

*no need for them to lie, that should say

You might need great management,but from my own personal experience of working in the NHS the management was far from great .

Yes, I think so. He'll have to. I'd imagine he'll make cuts elsewhere. I think they'll scrap HS2, cancel any plans for expansion of any government buildings and any type of updates or improvements.

The NHS is more important than anything. Always has been but it's taken this to make some people realise.

I don't think its solely about funding the NHS more. I mean of course, it does need more funding, no question about that. But there also needs to be a fundamental shift in how we as the public, use the NHS. As a nurse, the amount of misuse, abuse and wastage I see is unbelievable. It just isn't sustainable as it currently runs, I'm afraid.