Will Boris now fund the NHS properly?

[Moominmammaatsea]

Today’s papers are reporting that Boris can’t thank his doctors and nurses enough and that he is crediting the NHS with saving his life. AIBU to wonder if the PM will now have a change of heart and fund the NHS properly and reward all its workers with the pay rise he voted down before?

Of course he won't. He's a Tory,and a Tory never changes it's spots. I used to wonder why David Cameron never funded the NHS properly,despite the fact that they looked after his severely disabled son,and he couldn't praise them highly enough.

Not RTFT

Short answer. No.

Of course not. He’s a Tory. They will always prioritise tax cuts for the rich bankers and hedge funders who bankroll their party over spending money on public services including the NHS.

This!

Don't be ridiculous!

The only way to ensure the nhs and its staff are treated decently is NOT to vote Tory.

"and one thing nobody can attack the Tories for is ignoring political reality" really?!

No.

Nah

I'm NHS and don't expect a pay-rise. I would however like a thorough overhaul of the sickness policy (abused by many) and the HR system whereby it takes years to get rid of people who play the sickness game to full effect, costing the tax payer tens of thousands in each case. I am clinical and I am on the so called front-line in ITU right now and have the utmost respect for my colleagues working alongside me, but I have also worked in very different non-clinical roles where everyone is having a jolly easy time, thanks very much, and are continuing to do that even now - these are areas that need decent management and leadership to deliver better value for the taxpayer pound. Rambled on there, sorry, but my point is throwing more money at the NH S will not help while money is not being used most effectively.

The nhs does need a overhaul as money can't just be thrown at it hoping that will fix problems . But it looks good on party manifestos but tackling the real issues is what's needed money being spent wisely and used efficiently , then if more is needed fine but not just throw money and how that sorts it because it isn't that simple . It's a vastly different country than when the nhs was set up and people do abuse it . Dat in my Drs before this the amount if missed appts per day is shocking

Tories will do what Tories always do and privatise. It's the general public that need to make the choice. That's called democracy. The public voted ( predominantly elderly) to sell the nhs down the river now guess who needs the nhs?

Nope.

The NHS will eventually be whittled down, parceled off and privatised.
So - you'll be like Americans - paying 40,000 dollars to have a broken bone fixed.
That is the Tory wet dream and it WILL happen because ya'll voted for it.

If there’s going to be whittling and privatisation, I’d like a French style system, please.

Very well said @Aesopfable

These people who attack the Tories seem to think money grows on trees. Wake up!

Yeah, all this bigging up the NHS is probably (sadly) helping the government to make the NHS look an especially fantastic buy.

Look at every other recent year, during the winter months in particular.
Loads of negative news reports on how the NHS can’t cope, is on it’s knees. Whatever will they do etc.

This pandemic has just offered them a different (more positive?) angle to try to sell it from.

No if you want a strong NHS you are better off voting Labour

As others have said, you can't keep throwing money at something that needs a complete roots and branch overhaul.
Bureaucracy, too many middle
Managers, appalling procurement, outdated technology that costs billions to keep plastering over...sort those out for a start and divert funds to the frontline. The way it's run (the admin, not the service the medics provide) is not fit for purpose. You can't keep plastering over the cracks. Trouble is, it's just too difficult so money gets lost in the system.
I worked for a tech company that provided NHS solutions that could save billions and I met many CEO's of trusts. They spent millions on bank staff as they had no easy way to record shifts and absences and what skills were needed for each shift. She said that was their biggest spend. It was such an inefficient system. You can throw all the money in the world at it and it will still be broken. The frontline do a marvellous job, especially considering the outrageous levels of bureaucracy they have to deal with.

No. He will continue with the policy that makes money for him and his cronies. This is just lip service to try to make him seem more likeable.

No

Pa ha ha! Yeah right OP.

Of course not. But it will mean they will have to be even more sneaky about dismantling the NHS.

I was really Interested in the posts by @Nuffalready and @bigbadoldbag because as a complete outsider I have had the impression that what you say is completely right but don't have any first hand evidence to back it up.

More money is part of the answer but it is not the only answer. It's exactly the same with schools. Huge amounts of money are wasted, partly because of poor management, partly because of a small number of staff exploiting every opportunity, and partly because efficiency is often seen as a dirty word.

The problem is Boris will think that his treatment within the NHS is typical of everyone else’s and won’t realise that there is a funding issue.

Well said @bigbadoldbag I used to work for the NHS and the amount of money it must cost to keep all the unnecessary staff in jobs is crazy. Plus the agency staff. I have several nurse friends who quit the NHS and were re-employed in to the exact same role as agency staff for almost double the pay. The computer systems are so incredibly outdated (and I've worked across a few trusts).

I think, and in a way hope, that this will start a complete overhaul of the NHS. Possibly moving to a point where it is a separate "tax" like in Germany. Or where nominal fees are paid like in Sweden. I don't think anyone would vote for it because people have come to expect that the NHS will fund absolutely everything - from coughs and colds, to gender reassignment surgery.

Pay the staff including cleaners properly, however, this must be done in parallel with doing a thorough efficiency review. So much money is being wasted through poor procurement and doubling up. Dodgy suppliers most love working with the NHS.

Technology needs a complete overhaul also. You cannot keep throwing money at a badly run system, it doesn’t make sense. Spend a good amount of money doing a root and branch fix then invest in the better system.

The management and procurement is the problem, not the funding.

Absolutely, it needs sorting before throwing more money into the black hole. The fact that procurement is only now being centralised blows my mind.

I’d like to move to the German system please. They have universal health care and it works a lot better than the NHS. They pay more but it is partly private and funded through insurance, decentralised and much less bureaucratic and fantastic at dealing with Covid.

He doesn't even fund his own children ffs