Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

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This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

Those wondering what happens to those next year in terms of grading etc.
There are two basic thoughts on this.
When the DoE said basically schools are closed, no exams etc this year. Schools to now look more towards the care side. And if you've got a moment it would be great if you could shut up some moany parents and try and send some work home. GCSE's have been cancelled. No-one knows anything really other than GCSE's are cancelled and if you can send out some work.

The other side. Teachers to produce fully working links, or even better live lessons and still try and teach like your normal school day. Some even insist this is done in full school uniform like the GCSE's haven't just been cancelled. Suggestions about furlough. With one very clear common theme, no one really seems interested in legitimate concerns raised about a number of problems, including using a platform. that has an extremely bad reputation over the years and has even forced porn on its viewers. Oh and because of various obvious problems, all teachers are the usual lazy bastards etc.

Think that sums it up. Although there could be some wrong crossovers, I cannot remember anymore.

The rest I have already dealt with

You haven’t dealt with the government not furloughing public sector workers.

The BBC offer also doesn’t teach Y12 what they need to know to prepare for their exams next year so Y12 teachers will be needed to set work.

Y11 and 13 grades

The staff that are in school dealing with vulnerable students and those with EHCPs, like pastoral staff and safeguarding officers would also be needed in over the summer when, by your plan, they should be having their summer holiday.

Teaching staff aren’t interchangeable.

You said that private schools could help provide staff to state schools over the summer but that would rely on them wanting to give up their summer holiday, plus there being enough private school staff to make up the numbers in state schools in the right subjects.

Timetabling for the summer - you will need a lot of staff unfurloughed to input on that and how would they do it when they only know 80% of the teachers? Fingers crossed none of them need to isolate.

Keeping the buildings open over the summer costs money - cleaning and catering staff for a start. The government does not provide FSM over the summer so an additional cost (that they are not planning on providing this year either btw).

PLUS - I’ve got a big list of tasks that I’m meant to be doing while WFH. When will they get done?

So, yes they were receiving online lessons.

Online lessons and live teaching are not the same thing. Mymaths is an online lesson.

That kitchen might have been staged btw. These things do happen.

I get that it’s possibly difficult to comprehend how the cost of a laptop impacts on a food budget for months, especially if you spend £1000s a term on education for your kids. I might be a ‘shit state school” teacher, but I wouldn’t work anywhere else.

From what I can remember, the two boys (brothers aged about 12/13?) were sitting in a large, comfortable lounge, each using a laptop their school had lent them. I also recall a nice, modern kitchen.They clearly had internet access because they were accessing 'virtual' lessons provided by teachers from their state school. So, yes they were receiving online lessons.The headteacher also mentioned that the school had made provision for pupils who did not have access to the internet - he was standing in the school's computer room when he said this and he may have implied that those pupils were able to come into the school - I wasn't sure.

All very nice and fair play to the school.

However you're ignoring the fact you claimed that they'd not be Pupil Premium students because they have a modern looking kitchen.
Please enlighten us as to how "it's not rocket science" to deduce a child's Pupil Premium status by their home's kitchen.

You're doing the same thing as ever where you don't address challenges and keep bopping all over the place, citing different individual situations or things you've seen on Google when people point out your own lack of understanding.

2 PP children on the BBC accessing a laptop each doesn’t mean all PP pupils get one. It just means their school provided them.

Now Beebie2 be careful, you don't want to go round talking sense or showing you know what you're talking about. That won't do

@AliceWhiteRabbit I am in no way using my child as an excuse for not doing my job. I am still doing my job, like many other parents in the current situation are.

I spend my evenings and any nap time creating new online content for my students, setting that work via online platforms, responding to student questions and working on curriculum tasks as directed by my HoD.

If you read my comment carefully you will see that I am referring to teaching live lessons.

The current government guidelines are that where at all possible children should be kept at home and so although I am a key worker I was not allowed to send my child to nursery as I could reasonably keep them at home. What would you suggest?

Oops - i have been enjoying utter satire

Several of my friends who are teachers say that so many of their students don't have their own computer/tablet or reliable internet at home that they can't do this. They are printing workbooks and posting or hand delivering them.

It's understandable why a lot of staff in the private sector leave. They must feel utterly ripped off at the best of times. Now damn well. they are teachers after all. State or Private considering they had the same training etc, doesn't make one superior to the other simply because they thought it would be a breeze to work in private schools. I'd be doing all that crap whilst constantly scanning job adverts for well anything just to escape. Any disgruntled private education working reading. Run. Life really is too short to put up with this crap.

Wait what? All PP pupils are now getting free laptops?

It's understandable why a lot of staff in the private sector leave

Do they? I think about 4 teachers have left in the five years dd has been at her independent school.

When dd3 was at state school she had 4 maths teachers in one year.

Online lessons and live teaching are not the same thing. Mymaths is an online lesson.

The BBC described them as 'virtual lessons' - I took the word 'online' from the title of this thread.

I'm not expecting parents to buy £1000 laptops - the secondary school in question lent its pupils laptops. I assume an iPad would do the job as well - a friend's dd was able to buy a nearly new Apple iPad from her school for £50.

I have a four year old and DH is at work for 12 hours most days. How am I supposed to host five hours of online lessons and mark work as well?

Any suggestions really helpful.

I am, of course, providing work and guidance and answering e-mails and talking to the exam board and making little videos for them.

But that is around full time childcare for bored, scared and sensitive toddler.

Do fuck off with the ‘teachers should be teaching’.

@clavinova £50 is a full months food shopping

@Lemonandlime123 and @BelleSausage I think the suggestion on this thread is that you should be forced onto unpaid leave.

Please enlighten us as to how "it's not rocket science"

Only in relation to that particular family. If I said the mother looked as though she visited the hairdressers regularly would that help?

bakingdemon My school is doing something similar, as are others I know.

Sadly we've just been informed by Clavi that considering the difficulties some of our disadvantaged students faces makes us guilty of something or other and comparable to deciding a student couldn't be PP because they have a nice kitchen.

@maddening

The government guidelines are that childcare should only be used where absolutely necessary. I am at home and can therefore reasonably keep my child at home and so was not allocated a space at nursery.

My argument was that live teaching for up to 5 hours a day, for me, would not be possible. I am of course still doing my job and creating new online content for my students and supporting them - for many hours a day, mostly in the evenings.

I resent the implication that I am not doing my job.

£50 is a full months food shopping

The school could always spend the child's pp money on the £50 iPad - now there's a thought.

The government guidelines are that childcare should only be used where absolutely necessary surely a full time teaching job is a necessity?!

@clavinova how do you know? What if it’s been spent on play therapy?? Dyslexia aids? Music therapy? Trauma counselling?

Tonyaster

Maybe if successive governments, the media and various parents hadn't spent so much time devaluing teaching then maybe it would be a necessity.