Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

[Shouldistayorshouldimove]

This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

Where exactly did you embarrass me? I don’t recall you doing that - I must have been too relaxed doing crap all

It's exactly this kind of comment that means I'd never spend money on this site.

Indeed, who would pay to receive abuse?

Where exactly did you embarrass me? I don’t recall you doing that

Now that search by poster is back I could look it up.

Ah ok, have you spoken to the DfE?

No, but dh might have done.

Unfortunately, many of those staff who are overseeing what is going on in schools are key members of staff, simply because of the specific requirements in terms of not only staffing but also who is trained in what, including medical issues as well as everything else.

When a school is open they have to have certain trained staff members on site. Until there is some type of cure and/or vaccine schools simply cannot guarantee they will have the correct staff.

And not all staff want the extra responsibility of knowing CPR, about seizures, how to use defibrillators etc. So quite often schools may only have two trained staff. If one of them is off ill, the school have to then assess if they can still safely meet the needs of that individual student. It's not an easy or ideal choice to make. And it is no-one fault at all, and nor should they be criticised for it.

Sometimes what parents forget, and not aimed at anyone, is they only look at their own children's needs, which of course nothing wrong with it. So they understandably don't see the issues faced on a daily basis. Children that sit and can concentrate, and want to be there, and stay engaged aren't consistent across the system.

There are so many children needing support that quite honestly staff shouldn't be forced to do. And quite often it can and does boil down to this. Peer pressure from colleagues can be harsh, even worse when management join in.

They are expected to be - mum, dad, father figure, mother figure, teacher, social worker, therapist, nurse, and much much more. That can be the expectations btw of some Ta's who are also expected to work beyond their paid hours.

To you, your teachers will always be friendly and nice about them still working. Technically even though I no longer work there I cannot mention the school's name. We have to be positive even when there's an explosion in the background. However, behind the scenes, there is a possibility that one of those teachers explaining the negatives is staff from your own child's school, even the childless ones.

You don't like my 'teacher bashing' on other threads because I embarrass you by backing up my points with links to teaching unions and government departments - disproving what you have just posted
People dislike your teacher bashing because it's utterly predictable, frequently based on inaccuracies or your opinion stated as fact, and routinely seems to come down to you having a bizarre overinvestment in arguing about state education and teachers in the state sector.

@Clavinova
That would be typical, a father of private school kids making decisions about the state sector. We’re pretty used to it though. However, if he does, could he have a word about the crappy funding whilst he’s there, ta.

That would be typical, a father of private school kids making decisions about the state sector.

People dislike your teacher bashing because it's utterly predictable

I thought I was being very fair with my suggestion - 3 months off with no work to do - but you can't please some people.

Luckily Clav you have no actual say in what happens. You just keep your fantasies in your own head love

Because it’s not your child that they’re setting work for, clav

But the government doesn’t think public sector workers should be eligible for furlough anyway. Switching from being paid public money to do stuff to being paid public money to do nothing seems an unusual thing to suggest.

Who's going to work out and evidence the final grades of y11 and y13 students?

Who's going to check in on vulnerable students who aren't going to be seen by authorities like social services ?

Who's going to look after the keyworker's kids? Answer parental emails? Come in so cleaners and other maintenance workers can do their jobs?

nellythenarwhal
Who's going to work out and evidence the final grades of y11 and y13 students?

That's one area I haven't thought about, although quite a few teachers have said they are dealing with that now. Are you still teaching y11 and y13?

The rest I have already dealt with - please read the thread.

That would be typical, a father of private school kids making decisions about the state sector
Quite, it does amuse me that a man in a very important job, frequently engaged in high level discussions with the DfE happens to share the contents of these very important discussions with his wife who is totally ok to be alluding to said highly important, high level discussions on social media.

It's almost as funny as someone with children in the independent sector claiming to know lots about Pupil Premium shortly after claiming that someone on the telly was unlikely to be eligible for Pupil Premium because they have a modern looking kitchen, whilst telling teachers that "it's not rocket science" to work this out.

Quite, it does amuse me that a man in a very important job, frequently engaged in high level discussions with the DfE happens to share the contents of these very important discussions with his wife who is totally ok to be alluding to said highly important, high level discussions on social media.

All my own suggestions. You don't know what aspect of education dh deals with - I haven't given anything away.

I am not a teacher but I suspect it takes a lot of time to collect, organize and document the proof needed. (I'm guessing that is the sort of process but happy to be corrected by someone in the know)

I never said otherwise Clavi. It's still amusing that at some point in every other thread you mention your husband and his very well connected job as some sort of trump card in an attempt to give your opinions weight.

someone on the telly was unlikely to be eligible for Pupil Premium because they have a modern looking kitchen

After you or someone else made the generalisation that pupils on pp couldn't possibly access online lessons. Guilty in reverse.

It's still amusing that at some point in every other thread you mention your husband and his very well connected job as some sort of trump card in an attempt to give your opinions weight.

I doubt I have mentioned him more that 4 or 5 times - usually in reply to accusations that I have an unnatural interest in education.

You don't know what aspect of education dh deals with

Catering.

@noblegiraffe Hehe, maybe he could pass the ideas on a napkin!

@clavinova So does a ‘modern looking kitchen’ = internet? Enlighten me! My kitchen is hideous, I’m clearly screwed!

After you or someone else made the generalisation that pupils on pp couldn't possibly access online lessons. Guilty in reverse
Another illogical argument drawing false comparisons.

Not having access to appropriate technology to access online learning is a barrier for many PP students.

1. Financial element of PP could easily mean that the technology in the home is either incompatible for up to date platforms, doesn't work for document production and so on. Alternatively, it could be that there is one device in the household and that device has to be used by 3 siblings and a parent working from home. Educational disadvantage and social disadvantage are linked. It would be foolish not to consider this.
2. Not all schools spend their PP budgets buying laptops and tablets for use at home, in fact almost none would spend their PP funds on technology in case there is a pandemic and school closes. That would be ripped apart in the auditing of PP funds, and rightly so.

It is entirely reasonable to consider some of the barriers that may face disadvantaged students when making provisions in unforseen circumstances. eg. Some schools may have been in the position where there were able to release limited spares from school, others produce paper copies of work to be posted etc.

That's not comparable to looking at a student and deciding they're not PP because how how their kitchen looks.

PP students often struggle to engage with online learning.

Phones are not good ways to engage in hours of online

Lessons

So does a ‘modern looking kitchen’ = internet?

From what I can remember, the two boys (brothers aged about 12/13?) were sitting in a large, comfortable lounge, each using a laptop their school had lent them. I also recall a nice, modern kitchen.They clearly had internet access because they were accessing 'virtual' lessons provided by teachers from their state school. So, yes they were receiving online lessons.The headteacher also mentioned that the school had made provision for pupils who did not have access to the internet - he was standing in the school's computer room when he said this and he may have implied that those pupils were able to come into the school - I wasn't sure.