Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

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This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

Yeah, that’s what l thought

Are other furloughed staff then expected to work for free when they go back, Clav?

Are other furloughed staff then expected to work for free when they go back, Clav?

A lot of furloughed staff probably won't have a job to go back to at all - most teachers will.

Meanwhile, the teachers at my dcs' private school have been brilliant - lots of contact and 'live' well-being activities during the Easter break as well.

Oh dear, Clav has brought holidays up. It was only a matter of time.

They must be, surely, or it wouldn't be ok to ask it of teachers.
This time at home and what I'm reading online is making me think more and more of resigning actually. I don't think I want another 20 years of this and am reevaluating what is important to me.

Some of the issues with Zoom are even in their Ts and Cs, such as the fact that they record you (your face and what you say) AND that they share this with third parties!

If they give up the long summer break in return...

So other staff who are furloughed have to lose their holiday entitlement too?
Certainly at dh's work the furloughed staff are not being told this, nor are any of the other people I know who are currently furloughed. All are able to retain their holiday entitlement to use at another time.

Why would teachers and TAs be different to this?

the teachers at my dcs' private school have been brilliant

You are presumably hoping along with the private school teachers that the school doesn’t close and get absorbed into the state system. They’re desperate for parent to keep paying fees, I hear.

My dc has had holiday activities from his state primary as well as daily lessons emailed to us and lots of contact from the HT.

Oh dear, Clav has brought holidays up. It was only a matter of time.

I thought my previous post was quite fair to all;

"You wouldn't need to furlough all teachers-10/20% of teachers could volunteer to remain in school for key worker/vulnerable children (on full pay with overtime if applicable).Then if schools re-open by July, the teachers who were furloughed in April/May/June could teach in schools throughout July and August - with a two week break for everyone at the beginning of September before the Autumn term starts. Meanwhile the teachers who volunteered in April/May/June would get their usual summer break."

"If private schools stick to their usual schedule they could probably pick up the slack - accommodate some pupils and/or lend teachers to state schools. My dcs' school do that already."

Why would teachers and TAs be different to this?

Oh Aragog because we’re the scum of the earth, obviously.

Remember at the start of this when people thought that teachers might get more respect when parents realised how hard teaching their kids is? Ha. Ha.

You are presumably hoping along with the private school teachers that the school doesn’t close and get absorbed into the state system.

Not worried about my dcs' school - very well established - schools attended by nephews and nieces perhaps. I was more worried about Jeremy Corbyn!

DS (Indie) is following a full time-table via Googlemeet with a mix of Teacher led and individual work, marking and feedback. It's taken some serious commitment on all sides, but it's very impressive. I'm actually looking forward to returning after Easter.

I can though see many pitfalls. If your home broadband isn't very good (especially if there are many of you online), enough tech to go round and it helps if parents are on hand at least at the start of lessons to make sure the kids are all set and ready, plus you still need a printer and ink.

Even in a actual classroom you have your reluctant learners, that's no different and a lot worse online as it's very distracting for the group.

Yes I was more concerned about JC. My school is old and well established so I'm not worried. If they close eventually then my children will save money by sending my grandchildren to state school.

I am suddenly remembering how baking hot it is in school buildings in July and August.

Clav and if 20% of teachers are in schools teaching keyworker kids and 80% are furloughed - who is setting the work for the rest of the kids?

Not worried about my dcs' school

I’m alright Jack.

They could but they haven't clarified as yet and it all goes 'live' soon. Until they say otherwise, like GCSEs and everything else, nothing can be assumed.

@bretonleopard it is a nightmare job. I wish parents could somehow be forced to do it somehow. At first, I was thinking a week, now a month at least. Let them take over now if they think it's all easy. They can 'teach' those furloughed and of course, every single person who works in academics, for starters and anyone over 18 can volunteer to be taught
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Just to get around the pesky data, privacy and security issues for example. Clearly parents don't mind how it gets to them as long as it gets to them. Let them get the first-hand experience of how hard it can be. Imagine yourself as your usual class and be that class for your "teacher"

Hand over all none confidential stuff with the exact same guidance you get. They have to do it exactly has set out from the very top. And to really emphasis the point, whilst you are being taught, don't forget to let the parent in you interrupt along with any other members of the household including all household pets.

And most importantly don't forget to start a thread to tell everyone how useful they are being. Damn if I was still in education, I'd happily go on benefits and let them also experience the wonder wage

Shame the bookies are closed. Wonder what the odds would be for some bowing out by the very first break and followed by many more during and just after lunch. The students that is.

I’m alright Jack

Yep. Not a teacher, not a policy maker. Just a parent. Once my kids are out the other side the private schools can be turned into state schools, it won't affect me at all.

Clav and if 20% of teachers are in schools teaching keyworker kids and 80% are furloughed - who is setting the work for the rest of the kids?

The BBC apparently - from 20th April, although it's going to be very relaxed I imagine.Those pupils also get to attend proper school in July and August.

Tony you do realise the school is only ok at the moment because teachers are having to do this to keep parents happy so they get paid?

What happens when teaching numbers deplete and there's no longer enough staff to continue?

The school will get no money and their debts quickly mount up. Come January the school might be in serious financial assistance.

As so many people have very quickly found out. All the things they once thought would never be conceivable in their lifetimes, such as the horror at the thought of going on benefits, now they sit at home waiting for that claim to be processed, and some of those have already come from the private school sector.

Has it now been confirmed for definite the schools will fully reopen in July/August? Cos a few days ago holiday companies were already cancelling those bookings.

Clav who gives a shit about your opinion on how state schools should be managed? Your little darlings go private.

Wtf are you so concerned about? Tsk tsk lazy teachers. Really really glad l don’t teach in a private school with parents like you it must be a nightmare!

So Clav to be fair, your school also furloughs its teachers and your kids use the BBC. Yes?

Has it now been confirmed for definite the schools will fully reopen in July/August?

No. They are closed indefinitely.