Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

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This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

Chloe I think it’s a very limited roll out and not happening on a scale which might otherwise justify doing less by way of teaching.

I am still not seeing why videos are the gold standard of education? I went from my normal job on a Friday to teaching using a platform I'd never used before on the Monday, setting and marking work (while sharing a laptop and also teaching my own dc). As a professional I will decide on the best way to do my job and video is not it.

It happened the day the UK government announced on national tv that all exams were cancelled indefinitely.
When something is cancelled that is it. The end-until some possible future time when something might get uncancelled.

No, I know that the exams for Yrs 11 and 13 were cancelled for this academic year. I'm asking for the link to the announcement that the curriculum is suspended, full stop. There has been no indication that the current Years 10 and 12 will not sit their exams next year.

Absolutely bloody right, @Mistressiggi.

Some people really are patronising wankers aren’t they?

The rate of return of work for teachers who are marking new content is unsettlingly low. The more teachers teach online the more they are disadvantaging the kids who can’t access it. Actively encouraging teachers to disadvantage the most disadvantaged is an easy thing to do, I guess, if your kid is not one of that group.

I thought the curriculum was suspended though? We have had a letter from my youngest child's primary school that's stated this. I think it was in response to the parent Classlist chat where parents wanted to know why they're seemingly not working. My eldest's secondary school has completely closed, it is not even open for keyworkers. However, he has work the teachers upload and he has gone away, done it and been rewarded for it. I am happy with that as I would not let him use the 'free' online resources even if it was encouraged.

Sacha - see that’s why non teachers don’t get it. You just go ‘yeah of course it’s that’ or offer a generic ‘safeguarding’ excuse.

Give me an example or two of how video tampering could be anything other than embarrassing and I’ll give you socks suggestions about how to reduce the risks and demonstrate that the risks to the teachers are massively outweighed by the need of an entire generation of kids for their education.

I know it's hard to believe if you have no experience of a good private school, but none of the girls at my dd's school would do that.

I’m not sure how you would know this. My husband teaches in a GDST school. There are many ‘disturbing’ issues with girls there poor things, as problems aren’t just confined to ‘poor’ people but obviously, is not passed on to other parents.

@Mistressiggi absolutely!

We also spent our first days of home working frantically trying to work out what was happening re exams and thought senior students would be our main focus, before the exam were cancelled. Still working out how to back up our estimates etc.

Well sad mistress.

If I made a video it would be utter shit.

Thats not 'that's'

@Namechangedforthisreply7, I have, earlier in this thread, as I stated to you ten minutes go.

Posts at 7:48 and 8:41, with video examples, if you’d like to read them.

I look forward to your suggestions, as I’m sure do the other teachers reading this.

ChloeDecker what, wanking on video? I very much doubt it.

Chloe I think it’s a very limited roll out and not happening on a scale which might otherwise justify doing less by way of teaching.

That’s your opinion but seeing as you didn’t know it was happening at all, I will take that with a pinch of salt too.

The rules will be different depending on the age and key stage the child is at. Comparing children to adults at university is pointless and dumb as they are completely different stages, ages and ability.

Also universities are teaching via online classrooms as university students STILL have to take exams and assignments this may and therefore still need the same level of teaching. Also lecturers arent trying to spend days teaching the children of key workers and can expect adults to be relatively self sufficient (and not get too upset or bothered if there children - teachers and own - are in the background being a bit noisy or requiring attention and requires considerably less safeguarding then teaching minors).

Chloe, no it’s evidence that it’s a wonderful but very school specific endeavour.

Chloe where on earth do you get this from? Perhaps one or two you know are doing this but it is not standard and certainly not happening where I am.

At least 2 state secondaries and 1 independent school locally has been doing similar to an extent. Its often reported on by the local news sites/twitter where this is happening. It certainly doesn't appear to be unique to just one or two areas.

Some examples - just one or two links from a very quick google which shows more listed as well:

ie-today.co.uk/Article/which-independent-schools-are-making-ppe-for-the-nhs/

www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-schools-make-ppe-nhs-staff

schoolsweek.co.uk/coronavirus-schools-use-labs-to-make-equipment-for-medics/

Yes our school is "making ppe for the nhs"

They've printed out a few visors and got lots of nice publicity out of it.

The local schools I follow on Instagram have been making at least 100 visors a day for the NHS in their tech rooms.

One school even managed 230 in a single day, and another reported 700 delivered to the local hospital yesterday afternoon.

I don’t think it’s a small roll out at all, certainly not where I am. And no, of course it doesn’t and shouldn’t replace teaching, but it’s the holidays, and it would be unfair to say that these teachers are just sat round “twiddling thumbs” and not doing their bit.

My school is making PPE, as is my friend’s school and I’ve seen loads of schools on Twitter doing the same.

And mine.

Yep. My son's school has made over 5000 visors and raised over £11,000 in a week. State school.

Jesus Christ, Tony, better tell them not to bother next time then, eh?

@Namechangedforthisreply7
It is such a shame you didn't read the thread. There have been many, many examples of why it is actually parents who are deluded to think that when the DoE called quit on all exams etc, this effectively didn't end the curriculum and any connected new learning.

Schools are still open to care for students of other key workers. You know like those poor bastard NHS staff, and the only reason they are being let off from taking the usual battering is cos the majority now see the importance of what they do and how hard they worked even before this. And the shitshow they have been forced into simply by having to go out every day instead of having the luxury of staying at home moaning about shit they seem to have little understanding off.

It really is a good idea to read. Serious child protection breaches are being done at the moment. Things that could negatively impact your child. Read what people are saying about the actual potential issues including a platform not aimed at children or education and is easily hacked to the point of porn suddenly on your screen. This is a long ongoing known issue. It has no place in any environment where vulnerable people are actively encouraged to use it. There's a whole bunch of annoying legalities in place that people still have to adhere to.

There is also surprisingly input from posters around the world who despite all gung ho they were only a few weeks ago, are seeing the impracticalities of it. And to others, it's easy to spot the very blatant and serious security risk some batshit people think is completely acceptable to expose their own children and yours to this.

Such irony. Complaining about people not doing a job they don't technically have at the moment, implying they are lazy when someone cannot even be bothered to read the thread.

As a parent where do you come into the equation of teaching your child new things? It is the role of primary caregivers after all. The government were until it was all cancelled and the role of teachers vastly changed along with the use of the building, simply proving one option available to all parents to help educate their child. If they stopped including education in tax then technically they are under no obligation to provide anything really. Hence a lot of countries have more private than state schools, and why in some parts of the world children miss out on any education because the family is too poor, or worse the wrong sex.