Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

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This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

Our school is making PPE too

Actually I take it back. Apparently they are producing a lot of visors!

You deal with it individually not by a universal downing of tools. It looks terrible to the outside world who have to carry on and innovate their way out of this crisis.

FFS teachers are not downing tools. We are working! Just read through the thread for all the different examples of ways work is being set and how schools are still open.

As well as PPE let’s not forget the heroic efforts of schools to get food to hungry children. The DfE completely bodged the FSM issue.

Sacha - read them now. Still don’t understand or agree. It can be evidenced that any tampering is exactly that. Who are you safeguarding here - teachers or kids?

Safeguarding is the term used generically to keep kids from harm. if most teachers think their right not to be doctored trumps a child’s right to education then we really are scraping the barrel of Reasonable excuses here.

Thanks all!

It seems a bit unfair to use business changing their focus to make something worthy like ventilators (which is wonderful) as a stick to beat teachers/schools with in a post, but when faced with evidence that that is exactly what a lot of schools are doing, to then backtrack and say it’s just a wonderful but school specific endeavour that doesn’t count, is a little unfair.

More evidence that schools/teachers can’t win!

I went from my normal job on a Friday to teaching using a platform I'd never used before on the Monday, setting and marking work (while sharing a laptop and also teaching my own dc).

"teaching my own dc"

I think that might be part of the problem. If you are literally "teaching" your own dc - what are their teachers doing?

So how does an online lesson work in the private sector? For 8 year olds, say. I’m interested

Private schools do it don't they? How do they manage

Sorry if this has all been answered by now - long thread!

I'm a private school teacher in a 3-13 school. We're doing:
Nursery/Reception
live 'hello and how are you?' sessions every morning
live story time every afternoon
phonics and numeracy work sent out and returned via email.

KS1
one live English lesson and one live Maths lesson per day - approx 30 minutes each with follow up work emailed.
live story time and class catch up every afternoon.

Lower KS2
one live English and one live Maths lesson per day - approx 30 minutes each of teacher input and Q and A with follow up work on digital platform.
one 'other' live lesson per day (Science, Topic or French) - approx 30 minutes each with follow up work in digital platform once a week.
one 'project' on digital platform a week - either Art, Sport, Music or Drama
Live registration, tutor time, assembly and chapel

Upper KS2 and KS3
Full timetable of live lessons (5 X 50 minute lessons and 1 X study session) - 5 English, 5 Maths, 3 Science, 2 French, 2 Sport and 1 X Latin, History, Geography, RS, Drama, Art, Technology, Music.
Live registration, tutor time, assembly, chapel and clubs.

We use Microsoft Teams not Zoom. As long as you remember you start recording the session before the children enter the room and don't stop recording until after they have left (you need to be the last to leave) there is no major safeguarding concern as, if someone did edit and post a lesson, the school has the original to protect the staff member.

It works. However :
It's very intense and feels strange/not right - and that's from a teacher point of view so goodness knows how hard it is for the children.

We have maximum class sizes of 19 (often as small as 12).

We have sufficient teaching assistants/spare staff to care for key worker and vulnerable children and sufficient IT suites for those children to be able to do the work at the same time as their friends at home.

The vast majority of our children are well supported at home and reasonably well behaved.

We have to accept that not all our children will have access to a device at the right time to access the lessons (they all have internet at home but many have multiple siblings and parents all trying to use bandwidth and devices at the same time, often in very rural areas - disaster!) So we can't assume all children will keep up and have to accept that there will be big gaps and consolidation needed when we go back.

Almost without exception (our very vulnerable children list is a single figure total) our children have a nice, safe house to live in, enough food to eat, outdoor space and educational resources.

and, most importantly, we have to do this so that parents will pay the fees and we will still have a viable school and jobs to return to. We are only doing a programme this intense because the parents are demanding it. In an ideal world, I absolutely do not believe this is in the best interests of relatively young, uncertain and anxious children

Dippy - and see mine and other peoples showing that it accounts for a fraction of working time . Certainly the opinion of anyone I know with kids at state school. A few work sheets , no marking, little contact, reference to national feee sites. Apart from the odd day on rota those tasks would take hours not days. what are you doing the rest of the Time? and why arent you marking work?

The BBC are stepping up on 20th April with a massive education service.

I expect that parents will not want to use the service that has been put together by some brilliant people and expect individual teachers to keep reinventing the wheel.

You’ve read them, but don’t yet understand why it’s a safeguarding issue when pornographic images of teachers are created, children are viewed masturbating on video link, or imposters are infiltrating online lessons and using sexualised language or displaying lewd images to children?

Right.

You’re happy with your child and your child’s teachers being at risk of these things, then? When they could equally just be set tasks and projects by written communication with their teachers?

Personally, I don’t think it’s that you don’t understand at all.

what are you doing the rest of the Time?

Personally I’ve been given a list of tasks to complete as long as my arm by my HOD.

I went from my normal job on a Friday to teaching using a platform I'd never used before on the Monday, setting and marking work (while sharing a laptop and also teaching my own dc).

That's the bit that parents haven't been told- we are supposed to be teaching our dc too.

and why arent you marking work?

I am!!! If you read my post upthread, you would see exactly what I am doing and how few of my pupils are actually doing the work set, for what could be a myriad of reaaons.

You clearly are not a teacher and haven't the slightest idea what the vast majority of teachers are doing, only your own extremely limited experience.

ChloeDecker what, wanking on video? I very much doubt it.

No-you saying there were no disturbing pupils at your private girls school in the post you wrote before I posted mine in response to that.

Sacha, the online chinkx have been largely ironed out by zoom and similar. Passwords, waiting rooms etc - private sector has it nailed.

The risks you are taking about are so slim, would be dealt with as as by other infraction. It isn’t so great that it renders online/video/audio unusable. You take the risk and you assess, you minimise (passwords, waiting rooms etc). You look at the most secure tech available. You get parents and kids to sign up to a code of practice.

You don’t just down tools and say ‘meh’. You do what we have done in the private sector more generally and say ‘how. Education is lagging embarrassingly behind everyone else right now.

Sacha- she has clearly not seen what kind of secret social media accounts exist for teens at schools. I have and don't blame teachers for not wanting to provide fodder for kids to post online.
There are teens stuck indoors and happy to attract kudos from others their age. There's a boy in the next street who has a million followers on TikTok. Would you want him to make you the next joke?

I'm sewing scrubs this week as it's Easter. But when term starts I will teach on line lessons for year 9,10 & 12. But I won't get full classes as some of my students don't have a laptop each and have to share with the family. And some don't have wifi. So I will also provide work that can be done during the week (by post for a few) and I will mark at the weekend.
Years 7 & 8 have research projects to send me and I will try and arrange a video chat once a week - but classes are 32 so gets a bit chaotic.
4 weeks ago I'd never heard of Teams or forms. I am getting used to it but the child protection issues that have come up are huge - I am often confronted by kids in their bedrooms in their pjs. So I record everything !!! We have completely changed our teaching order so the easier concepts share done now. But we've also made all new lessons and resources which takes time. We are getting there though !!

@Clavinova interestingly I actually do see educating my own children as my job , with the teachers just their to facilitate the school hours. I have way more of a vested interest in my child’s education overtime than any teacher would no matter how good! So while teachers help out (as is their job to do so) , my child’s development is primarily my responsibility. As a teacher I see that way more now I have my own children. I have less tolerance for parents who abdicate all responsibilities to others ( obviously there exceptions where parents genuinely aren’t able to)

Zoom banned in Singapore schools amid safeguarding concerns www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/zoom-singapore-schools-zoombombing-ban-video-chat-app-a9459081.html

This was yesterday, despite the above assertions that issues have been ironed out.

I have to share this I found when searching for more info about how the BBC service will work. Answered the who pays question. Many homes disadvantaged right there as a license will be required and why should anyone be forced to buy anything?

Anyway, both from the BBC, both coincidentally about this home education malarky. Not really that comforting tbh. Although I'm sure people will still be shouting bollocks etc, as its not an issue.

www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2020/coronavirus-education

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52151411

I am and loving it! No behavioural things to deal with, just teaching! And also no marking at the moment!

No-you saying there were no disturbing pupils at your private girls school in the post you wrote before I posted mine in response to that i was specifically referring to the wanking incident.

@Namechangedforthisreply7 for what’s its worth the very expensive, reputable private school down the road from me is not doing video lessons 🤷🏻‍♀️I know this cos I know one of the teachers. It’s not a private/state issue it’s an individual school issue. You’ve also been given some very good reason why video lessons are not always appropriate, not just because of the editing and wanking risk, but also because the most disadvantaged children in the class are the least likely to be able to access them.

Namechanged why are you so keen to further disadvantage the disadvantaged? Why do you not give a shit about them being left behind?