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Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

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Shouldistayorshouldimove · 10/04/2020 20:25

This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

OP posts:
Monsterpage · 11/04/2020 11:46

@scissorsnglue as I mentioned before i did not post to poke at other teachers however if you or other teachers on this post are feeling particularly sensitive in this area my apologies for adding to your stress.
I was posting an example of a Mum doing her best - in another country, with a different teaching system and a different school environment to yours.
I shall withdraw my post as I don't want to upset any other teachers who see a post celebrating someone as a direct dig at them. I don't want any more mealy mouth comments about someone who I think is trying very hard in a difficult situation.
Maybe when we can talk about our kids education without being accused at having a dig at teachers things will be easier for all.

Scissorsnglue · 11/04/2020 11:51

Thank you @Monsterpage you're not wrong that we (well me anyway) are feeling sensitive and a bit "poked at" just now - well we often are on mumsnet, but it's reached a peak! Sorry if I was rude to you Flowers

Saoirse7 · 11/04/2020 11:52

Just incase anyone hasn't noticed, the OP hasn't posted back in close to 400 posts. This is the third one of these threads I have come across this week. It's 'not a teacher bashing thread' but it always seems to bash teachers 🤔

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 11/04/2020 11:52

I sill can’t get over ‘duty of care for your country’😂😂😂😂😂😂wtf? It’s not WW1

nellythenarwhal · 11/04/2020 11:54

I'm a parent of kids at a comp and I hate these threads for making me compare and worry.

My kids are not getting any live or pre-recorded lessons and I worry about them being disadvantaged as I can't teach them certain subjects myself and it sounds like everybody else is being set more. My kids are being sent work but it's mainly stuff that they've learned. One child is doing GCSEs but has never had more than 3 hours a work. Some days it's as little as 15 minutes. Considering there's 6 hours a day and most are single periods, that's quickly going to make a difference when others are doing much more.

School loaned out laptops before they broke up and offered to help with Internet issues.

Soontobe60 · 11/04/2020 12:06

@nellythenarwhal

No, your children won't be disadvantaged. Schools have been directed by the DfE around what to provide. Some schools have decided that they're going to damn well get their money's worth from their staff and direct them to WFH 24/7 it seems.

Schools will pick up from where they left off when they return. So that no one will be disadvantaged.

Mistressiggi · 11/04/2020 12:06

Nelly you really don't need a full 6 hours of work if you are doing it at home with no distractions and no change overs between classes, time for registers etc. It sounds like your dc is doing enough to me.

Namechangedforthisreply7 · 11/04/2020 12:16

Not rtft So apologies if I’m repeating. Union advice is interesting on this: says no online teaching, no marking (wtf- why not?) no going over and above standard T&Cs (we are all having to adapt). It’s very short sighted and teachers/unions/ the public sector are coming over in a very bad light for not being creative enough at a time of crisis.

There is talk about teachers having to look after their kids: so does everyone, we are all obliged to work around it (for example my husband and I are doing shifts: when one works, the other looks after kids).

There is talk about teachers losing their Easter holidays to look after key worker children: the stats went from an expected 20 per cent of kids to around 4 per cent (radio 4 figures yesterday), very few key worker kids in school at any one time, organised largely by way of rota leaving many teachers/TAs at home on Easter hols and many more twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do before the school holidays and no doubt afterwards. If you’re not furloughed or sick, and being paid, you should be working as much as you possibly can to deliver education to your classes.

Leaders and unions will cite sickness (personal and family) and self isolation as reasons for all teachers not to work/do more work. If you’re self isolating and well or experiencing mild symptoms, you can still work like everyone else is doing. If you’re too sick to work, then you get your time off to recover and then come back to work - as normal - and like any other worker in any other field.

Teaching should be no different to any other job. Many of us are being exposed to the virus via our jobs/caring responsibilities. You deal with it individually not by a universal downing of tools. It looks terrible to the outside world who have to carry on and innovate their way out of this crisis.

I would implore those In Teaching to be creative. Interactive is up for grabs (though the private sector get around the safeguarding issues so I don’t really accept that as a cogent reason, logistics I understand much better but at least say it as it is rather than dressing up the excuse in a catch all buzz word with no real explanation ). Instead be creative. Video lessons and upload to website. Adapt what you have and video it. Send video messages to your class. Read books in video to your kids as you would in class. Write to them (photo letter on website). Ask them to write back. Invite work that you will mark individually. Set tasks individually for those who are the most vulnerable or struggle most. Give them more of your time by phone or other approved methods. Engage with your classes actively and frequently. Otherwise, if you are just sticking worksheets Online and not marking them, what else are you doing with your time?

Some schools and teachers are doing this already and I applaud you for your flexibility and fearlessness. So many schools are not doing this though and hiding behind union advice which is unhelpful to say the least in a climate where we all need to be creative to ensure the delivery of essential services. This generation of children deserve better. If businesses around the world, the courts and universities can go online, if businesses can go from making aeronautical parts to making ventilators, if our nhs frontline staff can work long shifts at the coal face with substandard ppe, teachers can stay at home (for the most part) and consider how to adapt their methods of teaching to actively educate our children at home rather than sit back and pay them lip service.

Mistressiggi · 11/04/2020 12:19
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Aragog · 11/04/2020 12:19

I worry about them being disadvantaged

Although we are putting out home learning (not live lessons) we have already accepted that, as a school, we will need to reteach anything that is put out over the school closure times. We are not sending out brand new work that hasn't been covered in some way, as we cannot successfully teach new concepts that way. It isn't really differentiated either, not in any meaningful way.

We will assume everyone has 'stayed th same' when we return though will no normal in school baselines and assessments so we can check. We know some will have moved backwards and some will have progressed. We know some will not have done anything vaguely educational at all in the time we are closed.

Bookoffacts · 11/04/2020 12:19

There are 5 hours in a school day. If it's 6 lessons they're 50 mins.
There's around 2.5 hours pupil working time.
And that's a generous assessment.
Lesson
10 mins arriving from across school, lining up.
5 mins in and register
15/20 mins teacher talk with some q and a to some of class.
20 mins independent pupil working
5 mins packing away

That's 100 mins a day (1hr40) pupil independent work.
Assemblies take more time off and one lesson will be PE and one lesson practical, three lessons academic.
So 1 hour academic pupil working per day.
Usual in secondary.

Less in primary with more play and craft.

cricketballs3 · 11/04/2020 12:20

@ChloeDecker linking back to an earlier post re parents checking school website (especially secondary) is an excellent piece of advice.

I had a parent email the other day saying that his yr10 DC said there was no work etc, so he went on and found all the work including a pinned post telling students to email me for username/password for the free 60 day access to Pearson Active Learn (online access to textbooks) for all subjects - he was very candid about his DC's claims and him not believing them

Nonnymum · 11/04/2020 12:21

It sounds as though she doesn't really know how teaching works in primary schools. University can offer lectures on line to a lot of students. Primary school teaching doesnt really lend itself to lectures. I don't see how it could work by zoom. Other than maybe the occasional catch up.

ChloeDecker · 11/04/2020 12:24

if businesses can go from making aeronautical parts to making ventilators,

Most secondary schools have gone from teaching DT lessons to making scrubs and PPE equipment for hospitals, GP surgeries, care homes and hospices, in order to bridge the extreme shortage gap from this current government. That good enough for you!??! Grin

Tonyaster · 11/04/2020 12:26

I think individual teachers are of course not to blame but the unions have a lot to answer for.

nellythenarwhal · 11/04/2020 12:26

SoonToBe- I have older kids who did GCSEs at this school so I know that they are teaching new content until very late in some subjects. There's not a whole term's worth of revision time. My other child is doing A-levels next year so this is an even bigger worry.

I'm not after 6 hours of work for the younger child but some subjects haven't set anything yet and he broke up 13 school days before the end of term. It's possible that the teacher is ill so I don't want to follow that up yet but at what point do I consider teaching him? He would have had 5 single periods of this lessons and 2/3 homework tasks.

BookOfActs - I didn't think of that. Very good point.

Hercwasonaroll · 11/04/2020 12:29

@Namechangedforthisreply7

I'm only going to reply to one of your points about recording lessons and safeguarding. Even a voice over can be edited so it sounds like a teacher has said something that they haven't.
Recording and editing these videos takes a long time. Most teachers don't have the technology at home to record good videos. I have tried on my phone but it is very difficult to read what I am writing. There are lots of pre made videos out there, done by people with the technology which are much better than my home made attempts. It's much better for me to send a link to a good video and then use my time to respond to student questions via email/teams.

Private schools are slightly different from a safeguarding pov. They tend to be smaller and not full of students who will make malicious videos. I also know some private schools are insisting on a parent being present during the live lessons.

Some of the union guidelines do go a bit too far, I agree. However no video or live lessons is one bit of guidance I agree with.

Namechangedforthisreply7 · 11/04/2020 12:30

Chloe where on earth do you get this from? Perhaps one or two you know are doing this but it is not standard and certainly not happening where I am.

ChloeDecker · 11/04/2020 12:30

Thanks cricketballs3
Sensible parent there! I’ve had more than one parent claim no work has been set for their child (weirdly, tends to be mostly Year 10 in my school!) despite pinned posts on school website, all children being emailed, all parents who have provided an email contacted, plus the school Facebook page, twitter and newsletter announcements.

It’s why I’m taking the claims of some schools providing. nothing with a pinch of salt. Can quite believe parents not thinking there’s enough set or not liking the format though.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 12:31

Wonderful ideas namechange especially the one about using our private phones to contact children.. I have no storage space on mine fwiw to make and store videos.

Your point about sharing childcare with a DH makes sense. Exactly why flexibility of working hours is needed rather than sticking to rigid timetables. My students can access and do the work I set whenever suits them.

Do come and join us in the profession. Lots of vacancies.

SachaStark · 11/04/2020 12:33

“Video lessons and upload to website. Adapt what you have and video it. Send video messages to your class.”

It’s been stated many times on this thread now why this is so incredibly dangerous to do.

And, also, I concur with Chloe. Every secondary in my area are currently using their DT rooms and resources to make visors for NHS staff. Last week, many staff from different schools went in during their holidays to be taught how to use the equipment and make the visors by the DT staff, so they can create more and more each day.

Namechangedforthisreply7 · 11/04/2020 12:34

Herceasonaroll - so what if it gets edited? I do lots of video in my job which could get edited. It could be embarrassing but it’s not dangerous. You have the original as evidence. It’s a poor excuse.

I have teacher friends doing videos on their smart phones. Website quality is excellent. Again, entirely surmountable.

You must adapt, just like everyone else is doing. Why should teaching be the exception when it is one of the most important societal services?

ChloeDecker · 11/04/2020 12:35

Chloe where on earth do you get this from? Perhaps one or two you know are doing this but it is not standard and certainly not happening where I am.

National News such as the BBC,
Local news posted on social media,
DT exam board Facebook groups all sharing their practice,
Actual resources provided for DT departments with the scrub patterns to make them from and being shared,
Lots of community Facebook groups thanking different schools for doing this and also asking for donations of material, anyone with 3D printers etc.
Maybe do a quick Google.
That enough?

Tonyaster · 11/04/2020 12:35

FrippEnos I know it's hard to believe if you have no experience of a good private school, but none of the girls at my dd's school would do that. In fact even trying to argue that they might suggests to me that you've been on Mumsnet too long. Also none of them leave and go to state school because they are too disturbed to cope with private school. It just doesn't happen.

SachaStark · 11/04/2020 12:36

“So what if it gets edited? I do lots of video in my job which could get edited. It could be embarrassing but it’s not dangerous. You have the original as evidence. It’s a poor excuse.“

🤦🏼 Yes, embarrassment is the absolute worst we have to deal with, of course.