To say... it's a fucking VIRUS

[ArtisanBreadBin]

The number of posts on here about how the NHS have recommended "antibac" no they haven't. I wipe it with "antibac" why would you. I can't find any "antibac" handwash, you don't fucking need it.

AIBU to hope that people can learn the difference between a fucking virus and a bacteria. If it was a bacteria it would be called CORONA fucking BACTERIA!!!!

In any case "antibac" is a waste of time and money, use soap and water. FML.

@bigdecisionstomake you're assuming they mean hand gel, not an overpriced spray they've bought from home bargains. Sprays don't tend to have such high alcohol contents.

Soap and water is enough to get rid of almost all common or garden bacteria, viruses or fungal spores

True - but if soap and water is not available, then there are products that are marketed as anti-bacterial that are also anti-virus.

But not all anti-bacterial can do that.

Hand sanitisers may be a better term - I don't know if there is a legal definition for that if something is labelled as a hand sanitiser

www.cdc.gov/handwashing/pdf/hand-sanitizer-factsheet.pdf

“Both the virologist on BBC, I forget his name and Dr Sarah Jarvis said disinfectant kills covid 19. Dettol is a disinfectant.“

If this is true, I’m even more baffled by lockdown.

People might find this interesting

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cleaning-disinfection.html

And there is a list of EPA approved disinfectants against SARS - COV2 Covid-19

www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/list-n-disinfectants-use-against-sars-cov-2

OP Some most of us dont need lectures!
I use ordinary soap at home, never use 'anti bac soap'. I dont spend my days antibacing every surface on a regular basis. Only ever used it when prepping raw meat.
I use anti-bac with high alcohol content when I cant get to a sink. Which is every day in my job.
Its fine as an interim measure.
Get a grip you arent the only one with a brain.

It's actually on the bottle of dettol that it kills Coronaviruses lol
Yes your everyday common or garden coronovirus, the one that gives you the common cold, not the new strain, there is a difference!

Even Dettol have admitted there is no evidence that it effects the new coronovirus.

@Willow2017 maybe this doesn't apply to you then... there are many many people who think "antibac" will get rid of maggots in their bin. Just saying.

Even Dettol have admitted there is no evidence that it effects the new coronovirus

What do you think of that very long list of disinfectants from the EPA that kill Covid-19?

Yes your everyday common or garden coronovirus, the one that gives you the common cold

Are you sure on that? It's a Rhinovirus that is the most common cause of the common cold

www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/understanding-common-cold-virus

I've been advised to use antibacterial things - I have am immuncompromised - the last thing i need is to catch something else at the moment.

And, I have COVID symptoms and have been prescribed two lots of antibiotics to treat potential underlying infections...

So yes, YABU

Surely antibacterial sprays don't have enough alcohol in them to kill coronavirus? Is there any evidence that a brand does?

@HonkersVonFlapperson who advised you to use "antibac" to kill Coronavirus. Go on. Name and shame.

I’d still rather take a trolley that had been wiped down

Surely antibacterial sprays don't have enough alcohol in them to kill coronavirus

Disinfectants contain active ingredients that can kill viruses

Terminologies are important here.

who advised you to use "antibac" to kill Coronavirus. Go on. Name and shame

She said it was to reduce the chance of secondary infections because she was immunocompromised.

It isn't pointless. There is a lot of antibacterial stuff that's effective against viruses. Better to wash your hands but it's not always possible right away, like when you're in the supermarket.

Some antibacterials work on some viruses. But also, soap is the best thing to kill viruses with.

Which is my precise point @chomalungma although you're not the poster who mentioned it. They haven't advised "antibac" to protect you from Coronavirus have they.

Actually shocked by the op. Why are people so dumb

I am concerned that in every article I read no-one mentions bleach. I tried googling coronavirus and bleach there is evidence there. I did wonder if they were concerned for environmental reasons if we were all using bleach which is cheaper than disinfectant.

hey haven't advised "antibac" to protect you from Coronavirus have they

As I said upthread, I haven't seen any Government organisation recommend anti-bac

They have recommended soap and water - or hand sanitisers with 60% alcohol.

The EPA disinfectant list is interesting.

I haven't seen the UK list at all

I mean, no idea how you can get annoyed by that. Just enjoy how superior you are to them and let them be. Gosh you really are so clever!!

I have 2 bottles of anti-bacterial spray in the cupboard.

1 specifically says that it has been clinically tested and proven to kill SARS, MERS and other coronaviruses so it's pretty likely it kills SARS-CoV19.

2 doesn't claim to kill viruses but its main ingredients are surfactants (and alcohol). If you have a degree in biochemistry @ArtisanBreadBin you will know what a surfactant is, and how and why the surfactant molecules in soap destroy coronavirus...

For anyone who isn't as "clever" as you , here is a good explanation with examples of other ways to destroy the virus:

www.compoundchem.com/2020/03/31/destroy-coronavirus/

People are generally doing the best they can in very new and rapidly changing circumstances which are light years outside of their realm of knowledge - why the need to be so sneering and disparaging, even if you were correct (which you aren't exactly because it depends a lot on which 'antibac' product you are talking about*)?

Why should everyone automatically understand the difference between bacteria and viruses and what type of product destroy each of them? Unless you know enough about it already it's not even as simple as just looking up online because there's far too much conflicting and confusing info out there now. People are not stupid for not knowing relatively specialised information that they haven't been taught and would not have mattered if it weren't for the current pandemic.

*Yes, you're correct that hand washing with regular old soap and water is fine, no need for special antibacterial soap. But antibac gel for instance is effective at high enough alcohol concentrations and so definitely worthwhile having around when you can't get to a sink. Same with 'antibac' wipes on trolley handles etc - worthwhile doing if the alcohol or bleach content is high enough. The antibacterial name doesn't mean it's only effective against bacteria.

Has a particular annoying thing (or person!) happened to push you over the edge and make you this cross because it seems a bit of an extreme reaction on the face of it?

I had this same discussion with my cousin who is a professor of medicine. I said, but Dettol kills bacteria, it's not going to kill a virus. His answer. Well yes, it does actually.
So there you go.

If antibac gel was useless then hospitals and care homes wouldn't be appealing for the stuff to be made now would they ?

And I'm sure the people who keep our hospitals ticking over are a bit better informed than some gnarly woman ranting on Mumsnet.